1 00:00:56,429 --> 00:00:58,890 - Other than sing in a Broadway musical, 2 00:00:58,932 --> 00:01:02,894 I have done everything, for better or worse. 3 00:01:02,936 --> 00:01:04,646 I started in little movies, big movies. 4 00:01:04,688 --> 00:01:07,232 I starred in daytime soaps, I did nighttime soaps, 5 00:01:07,274 --> 00:01:08,733 I did miniseries. 6 00:01:08,775 --> 00:01:11,903 I did Broadway, off-Broadway, radio. 7 00:01:11,945 --> 00:01:14,364 And you come back to movies 8 00:01:14,406 --> 00:01:17,367 because when you get it right, 9 00:01:17,409 --> 00:01:19,077 it does stand alone. 10 00:01:23,290 --> 00:01:27,919 I have this belief that I've never gotten this right. 11 00:01:27,961 --> 00:01:30,213 I either felt that I was a useful pawn 12 00:01:31,464 --> 00:01:33,064 to a director who was a skilled director. 13 00:01:33,091 --> 00:01:35,427 To Mike Nichols, I just was a spatula he used 14 00:01:35,469 --> 00:01:36,845 to flip an omelet with. 15 00:01:38,180 --> 00:01:40,140 I wasn't the omelet. 16 00:01:40,182 --> 00:01:43,059 I wasn't the spinach or the olives in the omelet, 17 00:01:43,101 --> 00:01:47,314 I was just some salt you might have sprinkled on it. 18 00:01:47,355 --> 00:01:50,984 Or the directors were outright obstructions 19 00:01:51,026 --> 00:01:52,152 to getting anything done. 20 00:01:52,194 --> 00:01:54,237 They were just hideously unqualified. 21 00:01:54,279 --> 00:01:56,448 When you try to ignore the director on the film 22 00:01:56,490 --> 00:01:57,657 and pretend he doesn't exist, 23 00:01:57,699 --> 00:01:59,993 or try to kind of sidestep in every way, 24 00:02:00,035 --> 00:02:04,414 that's like trying to sidestep the birth canal 25 00:02:04,456 --> 00:02:05,683 when you're coming out of your mother, 26 00:02:05,707 --> 00:02:06,958 you know what I mean? 27 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,461 It's like, how the fuck do you do that? 28 00:02:14,674 --> 00:02:16,176 Great films with great directors, 29 00:02:16,218 --> 00:02:17,511 that's the pinnacle. 30 00:02:17,552 --> 00:02:21,223 When I got a phone call from my agent, 31 00:02:21,264 --> 00:02:26,269 and I was in the Tet Offensive of my divorce, 32 00:02:28,605 --> 00:02:30,857 it was probably the worst time of my life. 33 00:02:32,108 --> 00:02:35,862 And my phone rang, and my agent said to me, 34 00:02:35,904 --> 00:02:37,447 he goes, "How's it going?" 35 00:02:37,489 --> 00:02:38,907 I said, "It's terrible." 36 00:02:38,949 --> 00:02:41,260 I said, "This is just a horribly contentious and ugly day." 37 00:02:41,284 --> 00:02:43,411 And he said to me, "Well, whatever you do," he said, 38 00:02:43,453 --> 00:02:45,455 "you go upstairs into that conference room," 39 00:02:45,497 --> 00:02:46,915 we were doing depositions. 40 00:02:46,957 --> 00:02:48,768 And he said, "You tell those people that from now on, 41 00:02:48,792 --> 00:02:51,920 "they have to address you as Juan Tripp." 42 00:02:51,962 --> 00:02:53,213 And this was his signal to me 43 00:02:53,255 --> 00:02:55,048 that Scorsese had asked me 44 00:02:55,090 --> 00:02:57,300 to do this smaller role in the film. 45 00:02:57,342 --> 00:02:58,820 - I mean, I wish you were up there with me, Juan, 46 00:02:58,844 --> 00:03:01,012 it was, it was exhilarating. 47 00:03:02,180 --> 00:03:03,431 - Be that as it may, 48 00:03:03,473 --> 00:03:05,934 you still have to answer for The Spruce Goose. 49 00:03:06,935 --> 00:03:08,015 - It's called the Hercules! 50 00:03:09,104 --> 00:03:11,898 And it will fly, God dammit! 51 00:03:11,940 --> 00:03:13,400 - I certainly hope so. 52 00:03:13,441 --> 00:03:16,736 The American people deserve something for their $13 million. 53 00:03:16,778 --> 00:03:17,988 See, people think, 54 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,117 they think that this is about money, 55 00:03:24,286 --> 00:03:26,538 and they think that this is about fame, 56 00:03:27,831 --> 00:03:30,500 and they think this is about ego. 57 00:03:30,542 --> 00:03:34,296 And when Scorsese called me and asked me, 58 00:03:34,337 --> 00:03:36,882 I can't tell you what it meant to me. 59 00:04:04,159 --> 00:04:05,636 - I want to ask everyone in this movie, 60 00:04:05,660 --> 00:04:07,120 are you ready to die? 61 00:04:07,162 --> 00:04:09,915 Because if you're not ready to die, 62 00:04:09,956 --> 00:04:11,458 you're not ready to live. 63 00:04:11,500 --> 00:04:12,751 And I am ready to die. 64 00:04:12,792 --> 00:04:14,586 I've been ready to die since I was 19 65 00:04:14,628 --> 00:04:17,255 when I flipped out on LSD for eight days. 66 00:04:17,297 --> 00:04:20,884 Making movies is the oxygen of my being. 67 00:04:20,926 --> 00:04:23,178 It gives structure to the chaos of my life. 68 00:04:24,846 --> 00:04:26,723 - Why do I want to make a film with you? 69 00:04:28,016 --> 00:04:30,060 - I'm sure people have asked you that question. 70 00:04:31,853 --> 00:04:33,080 - How could she turn on me like that? 71 00:04:33,104 --> 00:04:34,314 I thought she liked me. 72 00:04:34,356 --> 00:04:36,316 - Can we just try to keep our pants buttoned 73 00:04:36,358 --> 00:04:37,943 and get out of this town in one piece? 74 00:04:37,984 --> 00:04:39,486 - I'm ready. - Well, stay ready. 75 00:04:39,528 --> 00:04:41,029 And stay by yourself in your room. 76 00:04:41,071 --> 00:04:42,364 - And what am I gonna do for fun? 77 00:04:42,405 --> 00:04:44,199 - Why don't you learn your lines? 78 00:04:44,241 --> 00:04:45,325 - I know my lines. 79 00:04:45,367 --> 00:04:46,535 - You do? 80 00:04:46,576 --> 00:04:48,296 - I just don't know what order they come in. 81 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:50,497 I trust you. 82 00:04:50,539 --> 00:04:54,042 But in the past, I trusted people 83 00:04:55,794 --> 00:04:57,045 who I should not have trusted, 84 00:04:58,380 --> 00:04:59,524 like the guy that's the dog wrangler over there. 85 00:04:59,548 --> 00:05:00,799 I should not have trusted him. 86 00:05:00,841 --> 00:05:02,361 You should fucking whack him right now. 87 00:05:04,094 --> 00:05:07,889 - What fascinates me about what we're going to be up to, 88 00:05:07,931 --> 00:05:11,143 and what excites me so much is that on the one hand, 89 00:05:11,184 --> 00:05:14,896 we're doing what I regard as not a documentary, 90 00:05:14,938 --> 00:05:16,815 not a fictional film, 91 00:05:16,857 --> 00:05:19,734 but an uncategorizable movie 92 00:05:19,776 --> 00:05:21,194 called "Seduced and Abandoned," 93 00:05:21,236 --> 00:05:23,155 about our journey to Cannes 94 00:05:23,196 --> 00:05:26,032 to celebrate film, and filmmaking, 95 00:05:26,074 --> 00:05:29,578 and filmmakers, and the festival that honors them. 96 00:05:29,619 --> 00:05:32,539 And with the intention of raising the money 97 00:05:32,581 --> 00:05:36,710 to finance this intimate movie we're talking about 98 00:05:36,751 --> 00:05:39,421 against a big political backdrop 99 00:05:39,462 --> 00:05:42,757 without being absurdly grandiose about it, 100 00:05:42,799 --> 00:05:45,760 our version of "Last Tango in Paris," 101 00:05:45,802 --> 00:05:48,346 last tango in Tikrit, for short. 102 00:05:52,017 --> 00:05:55,312 - Please give a warm welcome to writer-director James Toback 103 00:05:55,353 --> 00:05:59,065 and a man who needs no introduction, actor Alec Baldwin. 104 00:06:02,444 --> 00:06:03,695 - Give me the scissors. 105 00:06:04,863 --> 00:06:05,739 - What? 106 00:06:05,780 --> 00:06:07,282 - Gimme the fingernail scissors. 107 00:06:07,324 --> 00:06:10,076 - But what do you see in Last Tango that resonates for you 108 00:06:10,118 --> 00:06:12,787 that you want to try to mine again 109 00:06:12,829 --> 00:06:14,915 in a film potentially we would do? 110 00:06:14,956 --> 00:06:19,920 Ideally it would be our analogous attempt to erase 111 00:06:21,046 --> 00:06:22,631 the line between role player and role 112 00:06:22,672 --> 00:06:27,385 to create something bold and dark from you for you. 113 00:06:29,179 --> 00:06:31,807 - I want you to put your fingers up my ass. 114 00:06:31,848 --> 00:06:33,058 - What? 115 00:06:33,099 --> 00:06:34,893 - Put your fingers up my ass, are you deaf? 116 00:06:38,063 --> 00:06:39,481 Go on. 117 00:06:43,735 --> 00:06:48,406 I'm gonna get a pig and I'm gonna have the pig fuck you. 118 00:06:49,574 --> 00:06:51,368 And I want to pig to vomit in your face 119 00:06:52,577 --> 00:06:54,120 and I want you to swallow the vomit. 120 00:06:55,413 --> 00:06:56,706 You gonna do that for me? 121 00:06:56,748 --> 00:06:57,791 - Yeah. 122 00:06:57,833 --> 00:06:58,834 - Huh? - Yeah. 123 00:07:00,085 --> 00:07:02,921 - I want the pig to die while you're fucking, 124 00:07:04,256 --> 00:07:05,715 and then you have to go behind him, 125 00:07:05,757 --> 00:07:08,593 I want you to smell the dying farts of the pig. 126 00:07:11,138 --> 00:07:12,597 Are you gonna do all of that for me? 127 00:07:12,639 --> 00:07:14,432 - Yes and more than that. 128 00:07:14,474 --> 00:07:16,226 And worse than before. 129 00:07:16,268 --> 00:07:21,273 - Clearly here, what Brando did was become Brando 130 00:07:25,986 --> 00:07:28,196 when he was doing those scenes. 131 00:07:28,238 --> 00:07:31,408 One of the master strokes in the history of directors 132 00:07:31,449 --> 00:07:35,370 directing actors was Bertolucci getting this out of Brando. 133 00:07:35,412 --> 00:07:37,581 - You have pointed the way better than anyone, 134 00:07:37,622 --> 00:07:38,724 which is to create a character 135 00:07:38,748 --> 00:07:41,418 which is this close to myself. 136 00:07:41,459 --> 00:07:43,187 And whether you have the framework of a script, 137 00:07:43,211 --> 00:07:45,338 it's improvisatory in one way, 138 00:07:45,380 --> 00:07:48,341 but what has to happen is it's this battery. 139 00:07:48,383 --> 00:07:49,777 And you have to have that other woman. 140 00:07:49,801 --> 00:07:51,011 And as I said to you, 141 00:07:51,052 --> 00:07:53,847 I can put my finger on why, but to some extent, 142 00:07:53,889 --> 00:07:56,183 what's wonderful is I can't put my finger on why 143 00:07:56,224 --> 00:07:57,392 we have the right woman. 144 00:07:59,269 --> 00:08:00,979 Once I met you, I said to him, 145 00:08:02,272 --> 00:08:04,316 there's nobody else we want to do this with. 146 00:08:04,357 --> 00:08:07,068 - My experience with Jim was just, it was exploration. 147 00:08:07,944 --> 00:08:10,030 There weren't limitations. 148 00:08:10,071 --> 00:08:14,367 It was about finding things, on the day even. 149 00:08:14,409 --> 00:08:16,495 - But here's my question, it's gonna be difficult 150 00:08:16,536 --> 00:08:19,539 to get 20, $25 million in Cannes for this movie. 151 00:08:19,581 --> 00:08:20,892 - Especially without us bringing down. 152 00:08:20,916 --> 00:08:22,083 - That's right, exactly. 153 00:08:22,125 --> 00:08:25,587 So what... - It is? 154 00:08:25,629 --> 00:08:26,922 What? 155 00:08:26,963 --> 00:08:28,423 You didn't tell me that. 156 00:08:28,465 --> 00:08:31,426 - I just wished to fuck were coming with us, I really do. 157 00:08:31,468 --> 00:08:33,804 I mean, what fun that would be apart from everything else. 158 00:08:33,845 --> 00:08:37,808 But we will be faithful to you in trying to cast the movie 159 00:08:37,849 --> 00:08:41,269 and raise money with the absolute given that either 160 00:08:41,311 --> 00:08:43,271 it's you or it's no movie. 161 00:08:44,940 --> 00:08:47,818 We will not give in when somebody says, 162 00:08:47,859 --> 00:08:51,112 you have a movie, as long as you use. 163 00:09:21,935 --> 00:09:23,186 - Oh my God, 164 00:09:23,228 --> 00:09:26,606 Claudia Cardinale and Marcello Mastroianni. 165 00:09:31,194 --> 00:09:34,030 So how does it feel to be an hour away 166 00:09:34,072 --> 00:09:37,033 from losing your Cannes film festival virginity? 167 00:09:37,075 --> 00:09:38,702 I'm already excited about losing 168 00:09:38,743 --> 00:09:40,287 my French Riviera virginity. 169 00:09:41,496 --> 00:09:42,682 You've been all over the world 170 00:09:42,706 --> 00:09:43,933 and you've never been to the Riviera? 171 00:09:43,957 --> 00:09:45,125 Never. 172 00:09:45,167 --> 00:09:46,960 And now that I see it, I may never leave. 173 00:09:51,756 --> 00:09:54,634 What would you say distinguishes Cannes 174 00:09:54,676 --> 00:09:57,804 from the other hundred or so film festivals 175 00:09:57,846 --> 00:09:59,139 around the world? 176 00:09:59,181 --> 00:10:02,434 Two things, first, it's history. 177 00:10:02,476 --> 00:10:06,313 Not just in years, but in the range of who's come 178 00:10:06,354 --> 00:10:09,232 with movies they've made over the last six decades. 179 00:10:09,274 --> 00:10:11,985 Practically everyone from practically everywhere, 180 00:10:12,027 --> 00:10:17,073 Hitchcock, Bardot, Welles, Cocteau, Moreau, Kiarostami, 181 00:10:18,825 --> 00:10:22,162 Groucho Marx, Gregory Peck, Wong Kar-Wai, Gary Cooper, 182 00:10:22,204 --> 00:10:24,831 Beatty, Mizoguchi, Loren, Mickey Rourke. 183 00:10:24,873 --> 00:10:26,249 - And second? 184 00:10:26,291 --> 00:10:30,253 - The fact that it's a market for buying and selling 185 00:10:30,295 --> 00:10:33,507 and for finding financing, as we're gonna do, 186 00:10:33,548 --> 00:10:37,677 as well as a celebration of film as art. 187 00:10:37,719 --> 00:10:40,680 Sort of like a split personality festival, 188 00:10:40,722 --> 00:10:43,058 like the split personality movie we're making about it 189 00:10:43,099 --> 00:10:44,559 even as we speak. 190 00:11:22,305 --> 00:11:23,765 We've set some meetings with all 191 00:11:23,807 --> 00:11:26,768 the major foreign sales guys over the next week, 192 00:11:26,810 --> 00:11:28,770 as well as with several billionaires, 193 00:11:28,812 --> 00:11:31,148 at least one of whom I'm assuming will beg us 194 00:11:31,189 --> 00:11:33,400 to allow him to give us his cash. 195 00:11:33,441 --> 00:11:35,110 On his knees, I hope. 196 00:11:35,152 --> 00:11:37,487 But first, we're gonna see Bertolucci, 197 00:11:37,529 --> 00:11:40,282 then we go to the opening ceremony and we've got a slew 198 00:11:40,323 --> 00:11:42,075 of other luminaries we'll be seeing mixed in 199 00:11:42,117 --> 00:11:44,119 with our quest for cash. 200 00:11:44,161 --> 00:11:45,513 - First of all, Natalie, Bernardo's assistant, 201 00:11:45,537 --> 00:11:47,122 is gonna come down and see us here now. 202 00:11:47,164 --> 00:11:50,167 Now she is recommending that we do the interview here 203 00:11:50,208 --> 00:11:51,751 in the Carlton Hotel. 204 00:11:51,793 --> 00:11:53,420 - In a suite or on the table? 205 00:11:53,461 --> 00:11:55,022 - We could do, probably we could do either, 206 00:11:55,046 --> 00:11:56,315 but I would recommend it in a suite. 207 00:11:56,339 --> 00:11:57,883 - Let's have him do it in my room. 208 00:11:59,384 --> 00:12:01,070 Let's have him come rolling into the Bertolucci Suite. 209 00:12:01,094 --> 00:12:02,363 - That's a great idea. - And just then I'll say 210 00:12:02,387 --> 00:12:04,848 to him, I beg your pardon, my lord, 211 00:12:04,890 --> 00:12:07,559 but you're in my room. 212 00:12:07,601 --> 00:12:09,227 - I think that we got a movie in... 213 00:12:09,269 --> 00:12:10,997 - I was told I was being evicted because you are 214 00:12:11,021 --> 00:12:12,189 taking this room from me. 215 00:12:13,356 --> 00:12:14,983 I was told this... 216 00:12:15,025 --> 00:12:17,652 - They take off your name and they put mine. 217 00:12:17,694 --> 00:12:19,571 - It's interchangeable. - This peels off. 218 00:12:19,613 --> 00:12:23,116 - The sexual dialogue feels as if it's coming 219 00:12:23,158 --> 00:12:27,454 not just improvisationally, but from him. 220 00:12:27,496 --> 00:12:32,167 - It is a kind of manipulation. 221 00:12:32,209 --> 00:12:36,046 He did all the text that existed before. 222 00:12:36,087 --> 00:12:39,758 For example, when he's next to the, 223 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,135 he goes to the dead wife. 224 00:12:42,177 --> 00:12:45,931 I was starting with a line from Strindberg. 225 00:12:48,642 --> 00:12:52,646 - I might be able to comprehend the universe, but, 226 00:12:56,107 --> 00:12:59,402 I'll never discover the truth about you, never. 227 00:12:59,444 --> 00:13:02,656 - He starts with that and then he took that and he started 228 00:13:02,697 --> 00:13:05,909 to say, you big fucking liar. 229 00:13:05,951 --> 00:13:07,327 And he goes on with this. 230 00:13:07,369 --> 00:13:10,997 - You cheap God damn fucking God forsaken whore, 231 00:13:11,039 --> 00:13:12,707 I hope you'll rot in hell. 232 00:13:12,749 --> 00:13:14,668 You're worse than the dirtiest street pig 233 00:13:14,709 --> 00:13:16,336 that anybody could ever find anywhere. 234 00:13:16,378 --> 00:13:18,797 And you know why, you know why? 235 00:13:18,839 --> 00:13:19,839 Because you lied. 236 00:13:21,049 --> 00:13:23,552 You lied to me and I trusted you, you lied. 237 00:13:23,593 --> 00:13:26,012 - You know, it starts with something which is written 238 00:13:26,054 --> 00:13:29,182 and then he changed it completely but he makes it his own. 239 00:13:29,224 --> 00:13:33,353 - Did he feel grateful that he had a chance to do that? 240 00:13:33,395 --> 00:13:35,772 - He didn't speak to me for five years. 241 00:13:37,524 --> 00:13:39,151 I was calling him, I was saying, 242 00:13:39,192 --> 00:13:41,069 Marlon, I know you're there. 243 00:13:42,529 --> 00:13:44,948 Why do you think he did that, why? 244 00:13:44,990 --> 00:13:49,536 - Maybe he felt betrayed by me because I stole 245 00:13:52,455 --> 00:13:57,460 from him so many sincere things of himself. 246 00:13:58,587 --> 00:13:59,337 So many real, - The real Marlon. 247 00:13:59,379 --> 00:14:00,547 - Real things of him. 248 00:14:00,589 --> 00:14:03,216 Maybe he felt tricked by me, but I said, 249 00:14:03,258 --> 00:14:08,263 but he was a 49-, 50-years-old man, I was 30, 31. 250 00:14:14,478 --> 00:14:18,398 - When I came first time, I slept in my car, 251 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:19,649 and from Jeune it was easy. 252 00:14:19,691 --> 00:14:21,818 So I came in car, I was a student 253 00:14:21,860 --> 00:14:26,281 and I just didn't know how to be able to watch a film. 254 00:14:26,323 --> 00:14:27,491 But I was here. 255 00:14:27,532 --> 00:14:29,701 - In 1970, when I came here the first time, 256 00:14:29,743 --> 00:14:34,748 there were exactly three American journalists in Cannes. 257 00:14:37,292 --> 00:14:39,169 It was very rare. 258 00:14:39,211 --> 00:14:43,173 - People here from the first coffee in the morning 259 00:14:43,215 --> 00:14:45,675 'til the last whiskey in the night, they talk about film. 260 00:14:45,717 --> 00:14:49,387 - You know, here is a really amazing combination 261 00:14:49,429 --> 00:14:54,351 of the high art of cinema, there's a reverence for it here. 262 00:14:54,392 --> 00:14:55,977 There's a respect for it, I mean, 263 00:14:56,019 --> 00:15:00,398 the whole tradition of how they receive movies here 264 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,235 and how they honor the filmmakers here, 265 00:15:03,276 --> 00:15:05,403 it's just, it's not like anywhere else in the world. 266 00:15:07,072 --> 00:15:09,491 - I was very young, I was 24. 267 00:15:10,784 --> 00:15:14,830 And "Before the Revolution," my second film, 268 00:15:14,871 --> 00:15:19,793 I was invited to La Semaine de la Critique and here we go. 269 00:15:21,294 --> 00:15:25,465 And the movie is seen, and all Italian critics hate it. 270 00:15:27,926 --> 00:15:29,803 And all the French loved it. 271 00:15:31,138 --> 00:15:33,348 So I decided to become French. - French, yeah. 272 00:15:34,516 --> 00:15:36,601 - You've had in France for decades, 273 00:15:36,643 --> 00:15:40,897 this very entrenched divide between Cahiers du Cinema 274 00:15:40,939 --> 00:15:43,650 and Positif, Cahiers du Cinema is famous 275 00:15:43,692 --> 00:15:46,987 for in the late '50s having had, as writers, 276 00:15:47,028 --> 00:15:49,114 all of the filmmakers who went on to become 277 00:15:49,156 --> 00:15:50,574 the French new wave. 278 00:15:50,615 --> 00:15:53,076 They were at the time huge enthusiasts of a lot 279 00:15:53,118 --> 00:15:57,080 of American genre films, like Sam Fuller, and Nicholas Ray, 280 00:15:57,122 --> 00:15:59,666 sort of B cinema that hadn't really gotten 281 00:15:59,708 --> 00:16:01,418 its due in America. 282 00:16:01,459 --> 00:16:06,006 And very against what Truffaut famously called 283 00:16:06,047 --> 00:16:08,008 the Cinema de Papa, 284 00:16:08,049 --> 00:16:10,844 the sort of French tradition of quality movies. 285 00:16:10,886 --> 00:16:14,306 - When the French and the Italian new wave films started, 286 00:16:14,347 --> 00:16:16,200 I mean, we always heard about the Cannes Film Festival, 287 00:16:16,224 --> 00:16:19,478 the Cannes Film Festival, and so it was 288 00:16:19,519 --> 00:16:23,482 like a Valhalla of cinema in a way. 289 00:16:23,523 --> 00:16:24,649 This was the place. 290 00:16:24,691 --> 00:16:26,735 - And I never missed a festival. 291 00:16:26,776 --> 00:16:29,362 It's kind of adrenaline for me. 292 00:16:29,404 --> 00:16:31,573 It's where you plan almost the whole year. 293 00:16:31,615 --> 00:16:34,367 You see in 10 days, about half 294 00:16:34,409 --> 00:16:36,369 of the important films of the year. 295 00:16:36,411 --> 00:16:37,871 So it's essential. 296 00:16:37,913 --> 00:16:41,249 - Le Film Francais runs a daily guide as to what, 297 00:16:41,291 --> 00:16:43,627 a checklist of what the critics thought. 298 00:16:43,668 --> 00:16:46,880 And if you go down the list looking at Positif 299 00:16:46,922 --> 00:16:51,259 and Cahiers, they're 99% opposite. 300 00:16:51,301 --> 00:16:53,762 And it's almost like they consult each other ahead of time 301 00:16:53,804 --> 00:16:55,281 to make sure that they're not gonna agree 302 00:16:55,305 --> 00:16:56,807 because they almost never do. 303 00:16:57,974 --> 00:16:59,118 - Thank you very much for doing this. 304 00:16:59,142 --> 00:17:00,101 My great pleasure to see you. 305 00:17:00,143 --> 00:17:01,603 - Thank you. - Thank you. 306 00:17:01,645 --> 00:17:03,164 I was invited to the festival to participate 307 00:17:03,188 --> 00:17:07,776 in the jury in famous '68, was Francois Truffaut ran, 308 00:17:08,985 --> 00:17:10,821 and he said you must come right away. 309 00:17:10,862 --> 00:17:14,950 We are gathering here to support our Henri Langlois, 310 00:17:14,991 --> 00:17:19,996 to have him reinstated into the cinematic. 311 00:17:21,206 --> 00:17:25,252 He was men adored by youth, me included. 312 00:17:26,711 --> 00:17:30,632 But he was a very messy director of this cinematic. 313 00:17:30,674 --> 00:17:35,178 He kept some copies of some movies under his bed. 314 00:17:35,220 --> 00:17:39,015 Langlois was an icon, I loved Henri Langlois. 315 00:17:39,057 --> 00:17:43,937 But he was not what the government of that period wanted. 316 00:17:45,438 --> 00:17:49,484 And that started an unrest among the students in Paris. 317 00:17:49,526 --> 00:17:51,987 And it spread out and finally became 318 00:17:52,028 --> 00:17:57,033 the whole May '68 revolution or whatever you call it. 319 00:17:58,660 --> 00:18:01,913 When I came, I realized they wanted to disrupt the festival. 320 00:18:01,955 --> 00:18:05,167 They said that this thing has to be stopped. 321 00:18:05,208 --> 00:18:08,587 I remember Godard shouting cameras, cameras, 322 00:18:08,628 --> 00:18:12,299 the students from Nice are just arriving. 323 00:18:13,967 --> 00:18:18,972 Festival, as the word suggests, is to have fun. 324 00:18:20,348 --> 00:18:22,642 So they were in this mood and stopping festival 325 00:18:22,684 --> 00:18:24,603 couldn't change it, in fact, 326 00:18:24,644 --> 00:18:29,483 added a kind of absurd joy to it all. 327 00:18:29,524 --> 00:18:32,611 - When "Mean Streets" was there, it was a real joy. 328 00:18:32,652 --> 00:18:34,237 And I went there and I had a great time. 329 00:18:34,279 --> 00:18:35,822 We had the Carlton terrace. 330 00:18:35,864 --> 00:18:38,050 You'd be meeting all these different people, all kinds of, 331 00:18:38,074 --> 00:18:39,910 you know it's like, and all these interviews, 332 00:18:39,951 --> 00:18:42,412 talk, talk, talk to everybody, me, me, me, etc. 333 00:18:42,454 --> 00:18:46,333 - I came back with when "Novecento," 1900, 334 00:18:49,377 --> 00:18:53,298 which was very difficult to handle because it was five hour, 335 00:18:53,340 --> 00:18:54,841 little bit more than five hours. 336 00:18:54,883 --> 00:18:59,846 They said, okay, we do one day all dedicated to this film. 337 00:19:00,597 --> 00:19:02,057 So the festival stopped. 338 00:19:02,098 --> 00:19:05,560 There was only "Novecento", the first part in the afternoon 339 00:19:05,602 --> 00:19:07,687 and the second part in the evening. 340 00:19:10,106 --> 00:19:14,903 That was the peak of my megalomania. 341 00:19:14,945 --> 00:19:17,572 If I see the movie again or a piece of the movie, 342 00:19:19,032 --> 00:19:23,829 I can see myself in the kind of ocean of pleasure 343 00:19:25,497 --> 00:19:26,998 of one year shooting. 344 00:19:27,916 --> 00:19:29,918 I was young, I was desiring, 345 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,088 and I was seeing my desires accomplished. 346 00:19:33,129 --> 00:19:37,342 - We went there for two days, it was DeNiro, Jodie Foster, 347 00:19:37,384 --> 00:19:38,593 I think Harvey was with us. 348 00:19:38,635 --> 00:19:39,904 Tennessee Williams was the head of the jury. 349 00:19:39,928 --> 00:19:40,988 He came out, he said he didn't like the picture, 350 00:19:41,012 --> 00:19:42,597 it was too violent 351 00:19:42,639 --> 00:19:45,767 But we had dinner with Sergio Leone and Costa Gavras 352 00:19:45,809 --> 00:19:48,145 and they liked the film very much, they were on the jury. 353 00:19:48,186 --> 00:19:50,164 And so we had a nice dinner at Lo Acis, it was a restaurant, 354 00:19:50,188 --> 00:19:54,151 and we all talked to Leone and Costa, it was terrific, 355 00:19:54,192 --> 00:19:56,486 and we thanked them very much, and we went home. 356 00:19:56,528 --> 00:20:00,282 And the picture won. 357 00:20:00,323 --> 00:20:01,992 Fuck Tennessee Williams. 358 00:20:02,033 --> 00:20:03,678 - I mean, what's the matter with Tenn, it's too violent? 359 00:20:03,702 --> 00:20:04,578 What the fuck does he know about movies? 360 00:20:04,619 --> 00:20:05,829 - I love his stuff. I never, 361 00:20:05,871 --> 00:20:07,711 I only say good things about him, I don't know. 362 00:20:09,541 --> 00:20:13,670 ♪ Well you never can tell, but you're looking so well ♪ 363 00:20:13,712 --> 00:20:15,312 - When I was a kid and we went to Cannes, 364 00:20:15,338 --> 00:20:17,340 I had done a film called "You're a Big Boy Now." 365 00:20:17,382 --> 00:20:21,720 It was just with Elizabeth Hartman, who was a wonderful, 366 00:20:21,761 --> 00:20:26,516 wonderful young woman, and Tony Bill, when he was a kid, 367 00:20:26,558 --> 00:20:28,018 it was a dream. 368 00:20:28,059 --> 00:20:30,645 And then little by little it started to just become mean 369 00:20:30,687 --> 00:20:33,356 and it wasn't any more a film festival, 370 00:20:33,398 --> 00:20:34,816 it was a film market. 371 00:20:34,858 --> 00:20:37,861 It was one in which all the people were in the know 372 00:20:37,903 --> 00:20:41,698 and they knew whether your movie was gonna go good or not, 373 00:20:41,740 --> 00:20:43,366 even before you did. 374 00:20:43,408 --> 00:20:46,495 And it became very mean spirited, I felt. 375 00:20:46,536 --> 00:20:48,264 And you never had to avail yourself of that market 376 00:20:48,288 --> 00:20:50,207 to raise money for... - No, and I never wanted 377 00:20:50,248 --> 00:20:52,083 to go back to it again. - And you didn't? 378 00:20:52,125 --> 00:20:53,502 - I didn't. 379 00:20:53,543 --> 00:20:55,629 It's not the administrators of Cannes's fault. 380 00:20:58,423 --> 00:21:00,091 It's the people it attracts, 381 00:21:00,133 --> 00:21:01,927 the press that is attracted there. 382 00:21:01,968 --> 00:21:04,304 It's the game, it's like a bullfight. 383 00:21:04,346 --> 00:21:08,099 - It was after, at the end of the 1977 film festival, 384 00:21:08,141 --> 00:21:10,644 when Robert Altman's film "Three Women" was here, 385 00:21:10,685 --> 00:21:13,271 Pauline Kael was on the jury, was the only time 386 00:21:13,313 --> 00:21:15,649 she ever came to the Cannes Film Festival. 387 00:21:15,690 --> 00:21:18,401 The film won the best actress award, 388 00:21:18,443 --> 00:21:20,946 but didn't get anything for Altman. 389 00:21:20,987 --> 00:21:23,907 I was at the Nice airport the day after the festival ended. 390 00:21:23,949 --> 00:21:27,077 Pauline is there, Altman shows up, 391 00:21:27,118 --> 00:21:32,123 sees Pauline, and his great friend for seven years, 392 00:21:33,583 --> 00:21:35,269 you fucking cunt, you were supposed to like my film, 393 00:21:35,293 --> 00:21:38,004 you're supposed to be my supporter and you didn't like it, 394 00:21:38,046 --> 00:21:40,024 you didn't get me an award, blah, blah, blah, blah. 395 00:21:40,048 --> 00:21:42,509 In front of everyone, it was a massive explosion 396 00:21:42,551 --> 00:21:43,844 that was excruciating. 397 00:21:45,262 --> 00:21:46,805 - Talk to me about Damon. 398 00:21:46,847 --> 00:21:51,726 - He's a legendary figure in this world of film finance. 399 00:21:53,019 --> 00:21:53,520 - Truly, you use that wording specifically? 400 00:21:53,562 --> 00:21:54,688 - I do. 401 00:21:54,729 --> 00:21:56,565 He's really the pioneer. - Legendary how? 402 00:21:56,606 --> 00:21:57,566 What did he pioneer? 403 00:21:57,607 --> 00:22:00,318 - The process of foreign sales 404 00:22:00,360 --> 00:22:05,365 where you get a movie financed based on cast names 405 00:22:06,658 --> 00:22:08,535 with a projection of what... - For pre-sale. 406 00:22:08,577 --> 00:22:09,786 - That's right. 407 00:22:09,828 --> 00:22:11,348 - Show 'em a business plan that'll work 408 00:22:12,622 --> 00:22:17,252 and if I can project what my sales will be and I can show 409 00:22:18,753 --> 00:22:20,773 them what I think the US should be, if I can project that 410 00:22:20,797 --> 00:22:22,883 they'll get their monies back in a profit, 411 00:22:22,924 --> 00:22:25,427 I can probably finance any picture that I want to. 412 00:22:27,012 --> 00:22:29,806 I just finished funding an $80 million picture 413 00:22:29,848 --> 00:22:33,101 with Denzel Washington and Mark Wahlberg. 414 00:22:33,143 --> 00:22:34,287 - Where's the money coming from now? 415 00:22:34,311 --> 00:22:35,937 Where do you go get money now? 416 00:22:35,979 --> 00:22:37,623 Different parts of the world, different kind of...? 417 00:22:37,647 --> 00:22:39,107 - It comes from all over, all over. 418 00:22:40,609 --> 00:22:43,612 My next picture, I have some Saudi Arabian money 419 00:22:43,653 --> 00:22:45,780 and some Russian money. 420 00:22:45,822 --> 00:22:48,241 - Is there more money available now than, 421 00:22:48,283 --> 00:22:51,495 proportionately, allowing for inflation or less money? 422 00:22:51,536 --> 00:22:52,954 - I'd say less money. 423 00:22:52,996 --> 00:22:54,915 - Do me a favor, 'cause I'm gonna go text, 424 00:22:54,956 --> 00:22:57,018 'cause we have to let them know that we're running behind, 425 00:22:57,042 --> 00:22:59,294 bear with me, I'll be right back. 426 00:22:59,336 --> 00:23:02,255 - I would like to ask you, 427 00:23:02,297 --> 00:23:04,132 I have Alec for this next film. 428 00:23:04,174 --> 00:23:07,177 It's a political romantic adventure. 429 00:23:07,219 --> 00:23:09,054 We're gonna be shooting in the Middle East. 430 00:23:09,095 --> 00:23:11,723 Would you be interested in getting involved financing 431 00:23:11,765 --> 00:23:13,391 a movie with Alec, with Neve Campbell, 432 00:23:13,433 --> 00:23:15,352 with four, three or four other names, 433 00:23:15,393 --> 00:23:19,314 political, romantic adventure at 15 to 20 million? 434 00:23:19,356 --> 00:23:24,152 - Neve Campbell is wonderful 435 00:23:25,278 --> 00:23:28,990 but doesn't have marquee value today. 436 00:23:29,032 --> 00:23:30,158 Right, right. 437 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,536 - Alec Baldwin is sensational. - Right. 438 00:23:33,787 --> 00:23:38,458 - But does not denote a theatrical movie. 439 00:23:39,334 --> 00:23:40,585 - Just for argument's sake, 440 00:23:40,627 --> 00:23:41,586 the kind of movie we're thinking of 441 00:23:41,628 --> 00:23:42,855 couldn't go much lower than that. 442 00:23:42,879 --> 00:23:45,423 But what would be the number that that cast 443 00:23:45,465 --> 00:23:47,300 would be feasible at? 444 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:54,808 - Four to five million. 445 00:23:56,685 --> 00:23:58,329 - I'm too old for that, you know, it's like. 446 00:23:58,353 --> 00:24:01,106 - No kidding. - Yeah, I don't have the, 447 00:24:01,148 --> 00:24:03,066 - It's horrendous. - It is horrendous. 448 00:24:03,108 --> 00:24:06,319 - It's either very, very big or very, very small. 449 00:24:06,361 --> 00:24:07,279 There's nothing in between. 450 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:08,572 - There's never enough money. 451 00:24:08,613 --> 00:24:10,133 - Never enough money. - Never enough money. 452 00:24:10,157 --> 00:24:11,592 Fighting with them, perhaps about money or no. 453 00:24:11,616 --> 00:24:14,077 - Never enough money, with "Repulsion," 454 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,329 I had lot of problems shooting the film 455 00:24:16,371 --> 00:24:20,584 because we doubled the budget, unfortunately. 456 00:24:20,625 --> 00:24:24,796 The budget of "Repulsion" was 41,000 pounds 457 00:24:27,716 --> 00:24:32,053 and it cost at the end close to 90. 458 00:24:32,095 --> 00:24:33,889 - Why? - Well, try to make a film 459 00:24:33,930 --> 00:24:36,850 for 90,000 pounds. 460 00:24:36,892 --> 00:24:39,728 - I happen to have an Australian distributor 461 00:24:39,769 --> 00:24:41,146 and a Russian distributor. 462 00:24:41,188 --> 00:24:43,231 - These look like two gentlemen who've been waiting 463 00:24:43,273 --> 00:24:44,733 to give me money. 464 00:24:44,774 --> 00:24:47,569 There's politics, there's adventure, there's sex. 465 00:24:47,611 --> 00:24:49,237 - It's supposed to be comedy? 466 00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:50,405 - And there Will def... 467 00:24:50,447 --> 00:24:51,865 - No, no, no, no. - No comedy. 468 00:24:51,907 --> 00:24:54,034 - There will be humor built into a serious movie. 469 00:24:54,075 --> 00:24:55,368 - It needs to be comedy. 470 00:24:55,410 --> 00:24:56,286 - Oh, you think so? 471 00:24:56,328 --> 00:24:57,412 - Of course. - Okay. 472 00:24:57,454 --> 00:24:58,830 - Why are you wearing a tux? 473 00:25:00,415 --> 00:25:02,667 - It's after six, what am I, a farmer? 474 00:25:03,627 --> 00:25:05,587 - I'm familiar with "30 Rock." 475 00:25:05,629 --> 00:25:10,634 - But here's the thing, submarines are your thing. 476 00:25:13,345 --> 00:25:14,805 How close is that alpha, Jonesy? 477 00:25:14,846 --> 00:25:16,807 - 1,000 yards. - It's been a long time 478 00:25:16,848 --> 00:25:18,308 since you did the submarine picture. 479 00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:20,435 We need action and we need submarine. 480 00:25:20,477 --> 00:25:22,062 Listen, you can have sex, as well. 481 00:25:22,103 --> 00:25:23,396 I don't have a problem. 482 00:25:23,438 --> 00:25:24,957 That's what was missing in the other one. 483 00:25:24,981 --> 00:25:26,650 - Last tango in the missile bay. 484 00:25:26,691 --> 00:25:28,318 - Well, absolutely. 485 00:25:31,196 --> 00:25:34,825 - Unless it's a gangster movie or some genre 486 00:25:34,866 --> 00:25:37,744 that you're associated with, unless you do that, 487 00:25:37,786 --> 00:25:39,329 you have to scratch, I said, 488 00:25:39,371 --> 00:25:40,914 how am I gonna get to make this movie? 489 00:25:40,956 --> 00:25:42,916 I don't know where to begin, 490 00:25:42,958 --> 00:25:44,709 Who's gonna let, no one wanted me 491 00:25:44,751 --> 00:25:46,628 to do "Apocalypse Now." 492 00:25:46,670 --> 00:25:50,173 I had finished two Godfather films, won a ton of Oscars. 493 00:25:50,215 --> 00:25:52,467 In fact, I took the Oscars, I had six of them 494 00:25:52,509 --> 00:25:54,803 and I threw 'em out the window and they all 495 00:25:54,845 --> 00:25:56,847 went down and got all broken and everything. 496 00:25:56,888 --> 00:25:59,224 And my mother went and said you shouldn't do that. 497 00:25:59,266 --> 00:26:02,519 And she gathered the pieces of the objects, 498 00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:04,521 - The shards. - And she went down 499 00:26:04,563 --> 00:26:08,400 to LA and she went to the Academy and she said, 500 00:26:08,441 --> 00:26:10,819 oh my son, the poor boy, says the maid 501 00:26:10,861 --> 00:26:12,696 was dusting the Oscars. 502 00:26:12,737 --> 00:26:14,531 So I was so frustrated. 503 00:26:14,573 --> 00:26:17,075 I said, what do you have to do to get 504 00:26:17,117 --> 00:26:20,745 to be able to make the movies that you have in your heart? 505 00:26:20,787 --> 00:26:23,415 - Can we help 'em out with the actress, 506 00:26:23,456 --> 00:26:25,917 a hot new star, Jessica Chastain? 507 00:26:25,959 --> 00:26:28,211 - Listen, here's my feeling, 'cause I don't want to throw 508 00:26:28,253 --> 00:26:31,214 Neve under the bus, I love Neve, I did a movie with her. 509 00:26:31,256 --> 00:26:35,093 What I could do is invent a role for Neve, another role. 510 00:26:35,135 --> 00:26:37,304 - Have her play the spy. - And we can, 511 00:26:37,345 --> 00:26:39,055 yes, we can use Jessica. 512 00:26:39,097 --> 00:26:40,348 - So we kill Neve. 513 00:26:41,516 --> 00:26:42,434 - We don't kill her, we wound her, 514 00:26:42,476 --> 00:26:43,661 we wound her and she makes it... 515 00:26:43,685 --> 00:26:45,604 - I seduce Neve and then I murder her. 516 00:26:45,645 --> 00:26:46,771 - Her arm in a sling. 517 00:26:46,813 --> 00:26:48,398 - Neve's in the movie and I'll kill her. 518 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:49,399 We'll murder Neve. - Which will make you 519 00:26:49,441 --> 00:26:50,692 an action star. - Yeah. 520 00:26:52,777 --> 00:26:54,654 So what do you make of the odds of Damon 521 00:26:54,696 --> 00:26:56,114 coming through for us? 522 00:26:56,156 --> 00:26:58,116 - Two to one against. - Really? 523 00:26:58,158 --> 00:27:00,452 I say six to one against. 524 00:27:00,494 --> 00:27:02,204 Well, even if you're right, 525 00:27:02,245 --> 00:27:04,956 don't worry 'cause we're meeting Avi Lerner tomorrow 526 00:27:04,998 --> 00:27:06,350 and he's gotten more stuff shooting 527 00:27:06,374 --> 00:27:08,293 than all the other sales guys combined. 528 00:27:09,461 --> 00:27:12,923 - The way you make it in this business 529 00:27:12,964 --> 00:27:15,842 is you have to become a really selfish motherfucker. 530 00:27:15,884 --> 00:27:17,803 You gotta, this is it, 531 00:27:17,844 --> 00:27:20,889 and you tell your mother, and your wife, and your kids, 532 00:27:20,931 --> 00:27:24,518 and everybody, when necessary, you don't do it gratuitously, 533 00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:26,978 you don't do it purposelessly, 534 00:27:28,271 --> 00:27:30,482 but you tell everybody that this is my thing, 535 00:27:30,524 --> 00:27:31,691 this is who I am. 536 00:27:33,443 --> 00:27:38,240 And along the way I was incapable of doing that. 537 00:27:41,910 --> 00:27:43,012 - And here is Alec Baldwin. - What are you doing 538 00:27:43,036 --> 00:27:44,913 in Cannes? - We're making a film. 539 00:27:44,955 --> 00:27:45,997 - You are? - Yeah. 540 00:27:46,039 --> 00:27:47,415 - During the festival? - Yes, 541 00:27:47,457 --> 00:27:50,126 we're making a documentary that the festival 542 00:27:50,168 --> 00:27:52,087 is a backdrop of the film. 543 00:27:52,128 --> 00:27:53,839 - What's happening in it? 544 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,217 - Well, everything you see, the film is about the festival. 545 00:27:57,259 --> 00:27:58,426 - Is it a documentary? 546 00:27:58,468 --> 00:28:00,971 - No, my partner Jimmy Toback is the director. 547 00:28:01,012 --> 00:28:01,972 - James Toback? - Yes. 548 00:28:02,013 --> 00:28:03,473 - The James Toback? - Yes, 549 00:28:03,515 --> 00:28:05,600 excuse me one second here, let's go, be careful. 550 00:28:05,642 --> 00:28:06,601 I don't want her in the street. 551 00:28:06,643 --> 00:28:07,811 - Let's be careful. 552 00:28:07,853 --> 00:28:09,938 What do you expect from this festival? 553 00:28:09,980 --> 00:28:13,817 - This is my first time here, so I'm very excited. 554 00:28:13,859 --> 00:28:14,919 I'm very excited. - Thank you very much. 555 00:28:14,943 --> 00:28:16,111 Thank you, Alec Baldwin. 556 00:28:18,029 --> 00:28:20,323 - Is the film about the Cannes Film Festival? 557 00:28:20,365 --> 00:28:21,759 The reason I wanted to do this with him 558 00:28:21,783 --> 00:28:23,910 is that the movie business, to me, has changed. 559 00:28:23,952 --> 00:28:25,620 It seems very fragile. 560 00:28:25,662 --> 00:28:28,206 I don't know how much longer the film business can go 561 00:28:28,248 --> 00:28:30,208 in the age of this splintering. 562 00:28:30,250 --> 00:28:32,627 The technology is splintering the audience 563 00:28:32,669 --> 00:28:34,004 and it's happening slowly, 564 00:28:34,045 --> 00:28:36,965 but something tells me it's gonna shatter. 565 00:28:37,007 --> 00:28:39,026 The movie business is the worst lover you've ever had 566 00:28:39,050 --> 00:28:43,722 in terms of you go back again and again and again, 567 00:28:45,182 --> 00:28:47,726 and you go back seeking to recreate this experience 568 00:28:47,767 --> 00:28:48,852 you want to have. 569 00:28:48,894 --> 00:28:51,730 You go back with another chance 570 00:28:51,771 --> 00:28:55,400 to do something that you want to do in movie making 571 00:28:55,442 --> 00:28:56,442 and movie going. 572 00:28:57,777 --> 00:29:00,405 You are seduced and abandoned over and over and over again. 573 00:29:04,868 --> 00:29:06,161 - Why were you making films? 574 00:29:06,203 --> 00:29:08,872 What did it give you as opposed 575 00:29:08,914 --> 00:29:10,707 to other options in your life? 576 00:29:10,749 --> 00:29:12,143 - I don't think I had much of a choice. 577 00:29:12,167 --> 00:29:14,836 The other option was certainly a religious one, 578 00:29:14,878 --> 00:29:16,588 which was the priesthood. 579 00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:18,423 And I certainly wasn't, 580 00:29:18,465 --> 00:29:19,925 - Literally? - Yeah. 581 00:29:19,966 --> 00:29:21,444 Literally I was in a preparatory seminary 582 00:29:21,468 --> 00:29:23,428 and I didn't make it through the first year. 583 00:29:23,470 --> 00:29:25,305 Between the world I was in, 584 00:29:25,347 --> 00:29:28,809 which was the asthmatic situation where the parents, 585 00:29:28,850 --> 00:29:31,645 my working class family, the doctor said, don't let him run, 586 00:29:31,686 --> 00:29:33,414 I didn't run, don't let him laugh, don't let him, 587 00:29:33,438 --> 00:29:34,731 I couldn't laugh, don't do this, 588 00:29:34,773 --> 00:29:36,817 don't do, so I was in a room. 589 00:29:36,858 --> 00:29:38,902 You started as an assistant director 590 00:29:38,944 --> 00:29:40,612 to Pasolini, right? 591 00:29:40,654 --> 00:29:44,282 - Pasolini was before being a director, was a poet, 592 00:29:44,324 --> 00:29:45,867 a great poet. 593 00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:48,161 Then he came to live in the same building 594 00:29:48,203 --> 00:29:49,412 my family was living. 595 00:29:49,454 --> 00:29:52,541 I was 17 and I was in love with his poems. 596 00:29:53,875 --> 00:29:57,254 I was writing poems, I was writing a poem, 597 00:29:57,295 --> 00:29:59,506 and running downstairs to show him. 598 00:29:59,548 --> 00:30:02,342 Then one day when I was 27, 599 00:30:02,384 --> 00:30:05,846 so I will do a movie soon, you will be my assistant. 600 00:30:07,722 --> 00:30:10,016 I said, Pier Paolo, I've never done a movie, 601 00:30:10,058 --> 00:30:13,061 I've never done anything, I've never been on a set. 602 00:30:13,103 --> 00:30:14,563 Me neither, he said. 603 00:30:14,604 --> 00:30:17,482 - I found a kind of peace in a way, 604 00:30:17,524 --> 00:30:20,235 in the cathedral there, the old St. Patrick's Cathedral 605 00:30:20,277 --> 00:30:23,238 as an altar boy, and just as a kid I enjoyed being in there. 606 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,533 And it was a respite from the streets and from the Bowery, 607 00:30:26,575 --> 00:30:28,618 which was very, very ugly, 608 00:30:28,660 --> 00:30:32,289 ugly, and crude, and unfortunate, tragic, 609 00:30:32,330 --> 00:30:37,335 and what's the word, sordid, what was going on around me. 610 00:30:38,503 --> 00:30:40,046 But then you had this movie theater 611 00:30:40,088 --> 00:30:41,590 and that was like America. 612 00:30:41,631 --> 00:30:43,276 There was something about this place called America 613 00:30:43,300 --> 00:30:46,219 was out there and there were people, they had houses, 614 00:30:46,261 --> 00:30:47,554 they had fences, I'm not kidding. 615 00:30:47,596 --> 00:30:49,764 I mean, then there were westerns. 616 00:30:49,806 --> 00:30:51,475 You could, oh man, you go and you see, 617 00:30:51,516 --> 00:30:54,478 you weren't in like a hallway, you were in like this. 618 00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:58,482 - But these were the hard times, as you know, 619 00:30:58,523 --> 00:31:01,067 probably needless to talk about the Communist, 620 00:31:01,109 --> 00:31:03,570 Stalinist period of Poland. 621 00:31:03,612 --> 00:31:06,114 As with everything that I said, the advantages, 622 00:31:06,156 --> 00:31:08,450 and one of them was film school 623 00:31:08,492 --> 00:31:13,246 due to one line of Lenin, among all arts, 624 00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:18,627 film is the most important for us, us meaning socialism. 625 00:31:19,794 --> 00:31:22,297 That school was fantastic, really, 626 00:31:22,339 --> 00:31:24,341 and I have great memories. 627 00:31:24,382 --> 00:31:27,803 - When I was a young guy, I was a writer for Seven Arts. 628 00:31:27,844 --> 00:31:31,306 And Seven Arts was a company that bought Warner Brothers 629 00:31:31,348 --> 00:31:34,226 from Warner, so I was so enthusiastic that they had bought 630 00:31:34,267 --> 00:31:36,061 Warner Brothers that I just showed up 631 00:31:36,102 --> 00:31:38,021 on the Warner Brothers lot and everyone thought 632 00:31:38,063 --> 00:31:40,357 I was the new taking-over guy. 633 00:31:40,398 --> 00:31:43,902 So I went and I went to Errol Flynn's dressing room, 634 00:31:43,944 --> 00:31:45,654 which was the greatest one, 635 00:31:45,695 --> 00:31:48,073 and I just took it over as my office. 636 00:31:48,114 --> 00:31:49,616 It was a month before they realized 637 00:31:49,658 --> 00:31:51,743 I wasn't the incoming management. 638 00:31:53,203 --> 00:31:57,082 - I loved sailing then in the most beautiful part of Poland, 639 00:31:57,123 --> 00:31:58,583 which is called Masurian, 640 00:31:58,625 --> 00:32:02,254 which has about 200 lakes somehow connecting. 641 00:32:03,296 --> 00:32:06,258 And I love that part of nature. 642 00:32:06,299 --> 00:32:07,884 That was a dream for me. 643 00:32:07,926 --> 00:32:11,471 So I started writing a little thing on that. 644 00:32:30,115 --> 00:32:32,868 It was very badly received in Poland, 645 00:32:32,909 --> 00:32:35,245 particularly by the party. 646 00:32:35,287 --> 00:32:37,455 The head of the party, Gomulka, 647 00:32:37,497 --> 00:32:42,502 was pissed off and threw the ashtray at the screen. 648 00:32:43,670 --> 00:32:47,632 I went to Paris to try in the West 649 00:32:47,674 --> 00:32:51,303 and that was my dream anyway. 650 00:32:51,344 --> 00:32:54,848 I never wanted to stay put in Poland. 651 00:32:54,890 --> 00:32:57,184 - By the time we were able to say to myself, 652 00:32:57,225 --> 00:32:58,685 I might be able to express myself, 653 00:32:58,727 --> 00:33:00,204 telling a story of the stories that I know 654 00:33:00,228 --> 00:33:01,688 that I heard my father tell, 655 00:33:01,730 --> 00:33:03,541 that I see what goes on with my father and my uncle, 656 00:33:03,565 --> 00:33:05,317 that became "Mean Streets" in actuality, 657 00:33:05,358 --> 00:33:06,651 that goes on with my friends. 658 00:33:06,693 --> 00:33:08,004 - That was your first story. - Yeah, that was 659 00:33:08,028 --> 00:33:09,988 the first one, but it's always about 660 00:33:10,030 --> 00:33:11,990 obligation to the brother. 661 00:33:12,032 --> 00:33:14,075 That's what I've discovered after 35, 40 years, 662 00:33:14,117 --> 00:33:15,911 it's the same picture. 663 00:33:15,952 --> 00:33:17,913 It's about my father and his brother. 664 00:33:17,954 --> 00:33:19,748 - What was his obligation to his brother? 665 00:33:19,789 --> 00:33:21,541 - To make sure he didn't get killed. 666 00:33:22,959 --> 00:33:24,628 - Literally. - Pay the debts, 667 00:33:24,669 --> 00:33:28,048 sign the loans, go to the sit downs. 668 00:33:28,089 --> 00:33:29,883 He was just one of those guys. 669 00:33:29,925 --> 00:33:33,428 - Look, on payday, at least show up 670 00:33:33,470 --> 00:33:35,138 at Tony's place to meet him, okay. 671 00:33:35,180 --> 00:33:36,616 This way he doesn't think that you're trying 672 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,225 to make a jerkoff out of him. 673 00:33:38,266 --> 00:33:39,476 - Yeah, all right. 674 00:33:39,518 --> 00:33:41,770 - Hey, I'm not asking you, I'm telling you. 675 00:33:41,812 --> 00:33:42,938 - Yeah. 676 00:33:42,979 --> 00:33:45,315 - Bob Evans saw my films. 677 00:33:45,357 --> 00:33:47,901 - So Bob Evans is your rabbi. - Yeah, Bob Evans 678 00:33:47,943 --> 00:33:49,319 was my rabbi and he called me 679 00:33:49,361 --> 00:33:52,322 and he said that he has a script. 680 00:33:52,364 --> 00:33:56,910 So I came to the studio and he had the script and he said, 681 00:33:56,952 --> 00:33:59,162 wait, but also I have this 682 00:33:59,204 --> 00:34:03,458 and he had galleys of "Rosemary's Baby." 683 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,294 - What have you done to it? 684 00:34:07,546 --> 00:34:09,506 What have you done to its eyes? 685 00:34:09,548 --> 00:34:11,299 - He has his father's eyes. 686 00:34:12,717 --> 00:34:14,153 - When I finally went to Washington Square College, 687 00:34:14,177 --> 00:34:16,346 NYU, it was great. - And then you met Hague. 688 00:34:16,388 --> 00:34:17,657 - That was the man, Haig Manoogian. 689 00:34:17,681 --> 00:34:19,057 What did Haig do for you? 690 00:34:19,099 --> 00:34:22,519 - He had this extraordinary passion that combined 691 00:34:22,561 --> 00:34:25,522 with yours will make you go out and do anything. 692 00:34:25,564 --> 00:34:27,364 But he was very different, we disagreed a lot. 693 00:34:27,399 --> 00:34:28,900 And his idea, - About what? 694 00:34:28,942 --> 00:34:30,485 - Well, what cinema should be, he said, 695 00:34:30,527 --> 00:34:32,904 if I see any of these kids come in and there's a gun 696 00:34:32,946 --> 00:34:35,198 in the movie, I'm throwing you out. 697 00:34:35,240 --> 00:34:37,200 I said, yeah, but where I come from, 698 00:34:37,242 --> 00:34:39,202 Well, you really must have broken his heart. 699 00:34:39,244 --> 00:34:41,079 You really, really betrayed Haig, didn't you? 700 00:34:41,121 --> 00:34:42,807 - Well, with "Mean Streets," well, he saw "Mean Streets." 701 00:34:42,831 --> 00:34:45,125 So we argued, he loved Truffaut. 702 00:34:45,167 --> 00:34:47,502 - But not Godard, all you need is a gun and a girl. 703 00:34:47,544 --> 00:34:48,628 - Yeah, exactly. 704 00:34:49,963 --> 00:34:51,440 Not in my pictures, no he'd eliminate it, 705 00:34:51,464 --> 00:34:53,258 that's it, out, don't come in here with that. 706 00:34:58,180 --> 00:34:59,639 - Where do we go? 707 00:35:02,517 --> 00:35:04,811 - This is the world film business. 708 00:35:08,648 --> 00:35:09,750 - All these people are here doing what? 709 00:35:09,774 --> 00:35:11,401 Selling films they have? 710 00:35:11,443 --> 00:35:13,987 - Or trying to find a film to grab, 711 00:35:14,029 --> 00:35:18,909 to set up, to become a partner in, to get a distributor for. 712 00:35:20,410 --> 00:35:23,288 I mean this is like the Diamond Center on 47th Street. 713 00:35:26,041 --> 00:35:27,709 You lost weight. - I wish. 714 00:35:29,044 --> 00:35:31,171 - No, you look, or I gained, so by relative. 715 00:35:31,213 --> 00:35:32,589 This is Alec. - Of course. 716 00:35:32,631 --> 00:35:33,507 How are you? 717 00:35:33,548 --> 00:35:34,841 Come in, come in. 718 00:35:34,883 --> 00:35:36,635 I don't like the Cannes Film Festival. 719 00:35:36,676 --> 00:35:39,179 I don't believe in the Cannes Film Festival. 720 00:35:39,221 --> 00:35:40,722 There's two things, the market, 721 00:35:40,764 --> 00:35:43,141 which I been here all the time, and the festival. 722 00:35:43,183 --> 00:35:45,560 Most of the movie in the festival are movie that 723 00:35:46,603 --> 00:35:48,355 if the only person will go is 724 00:35:48,396 --> 00:35:51,233 their mothers and cousins, that's all. 725 00:35:51,274 --> 00:35:53,318 - What is fantastic about Cannes is that 726 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,238 a Romanian film, or a Belgian film, 727 00:35:56,279 --> 00:35:59,533 or a Danish film, or a Uruguayan film is shown 728 00:35:59,574 --> 00:36:02,369 at the same time with the same number of journalists. 729 00:36:02,410 --> 00:36:03,870 - Therefore, it has a chance. 730 00:36:03,912 --> 00:36:07,249 - Exactly, as a big American production with big stars. 731 00:36:07,290 --> 00:36:11,127 - The big films protect the small films. 732 00:36:11,169 --> 00:36:14,381 The stars protect the unknown actors. 733 00:36:14,422 --> 00:36:16,007 - When I make a movie, 734 00:36:16,049 --> 00:36:18,593 all I think is what's the profit. 735 00:36:18,635 --> 00:36:19,886 Before I make a movie, 736 00:36:19,928 --> 00:36:21,638 I know how much I'm going to sell it. 737 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:26,101 So it's got nothing to do with the creative part of it. 738 00:36:26,143 --> 00:36:28,979 I look at it as purely business. 739 00:36:29,020 --> 00:36:31,398 - Cinema is not poetry, it's not painting. 740 00:36:31,439 --> 00:36:32,899 You need money. 741 00:36:32,941 --> 00:36:36,653 And we had sometime people saying, well, 742 00:36:36,695 --> 00:36:40,115 it's a big commercial Barnum Circus here, 743 00:36:40,157 --> 00:36:42,951 say, but please, it's very important. 744 00:36:42,993 --> 00:36:46,830 The day we won't have anymore advertising everywhere 745 00:36:46,872 --> 00:36:48,874 will mean that there is no money anymore. 746 00:36:48,915 --> 00:36:50,542 No money, no films. 747 00:36:50,584 --> 00:36:53,044 So we don't have to be naive with that. 748 00:36:53,086 --> 00:36:55,672 - But I think this is what is great about Cannes, 749 00:36:55,714 --> 00:36:58,967 it's an hybrid. I mean, Melhor wrote an essay on cinema 750 00:36:59,009 --> 00:37:01,845 and the famous last sentence of the essay, 751 00:37:01,887 --> 00:37:04,514 besides cinema is an industry. 752 00:37:04,556 --> 00:37:07,184 And I think the fact that Cannes has always remembered 753 00:37:07,225 --> 00:37:10,562 that line, it was also an industry, to combine the two 754 00:37:10,604 --> 00:37:13,899 because this is the nature of cinema, it's imperfect. 755 00:37:13,940 --> 00:37:17,569 - We wanna make a movie, which is set in Iraq. 756 00:37:17,611 --> 00:37:19,571 It is something very polarizing. 757 00:37:19,613 --> 00:37:21,072 We come together and we have 758 00:37:21,114 --> 00:37:23,867 these bizarre sexual encounters. 759 00:37:23,909 --> 00:37:26,703 - Do you want me to send you a movie that we've done? 760 00:37:26,745 --> 00:37:28,055 - Oh, you already made this movie, okay. 761 00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:30,165 That's a wrap, let's go. 762 00:37:30,207 --> 00:37:33,835 And now I am coming off the TV show, six years, 763 00:37:33,877 --> 00:37:35,212 next year I have a half season, 764 00:37:35,253 --> 00:37:37,005 seven years, then we're done. 765 00:37:37,047 --> 00:37:39,591 And I'm going to, I don't like to say this 766 00:37:39,633 --> 00:37:41,760 in some lofty way, but I'm going to 767 00:37:41,802 --> 00:37:44,429 reenter filmmaking as a career. 768 00:37:44,471 --> 00:37:45,948 Do you think you could be in the movie business 769 00:37:45,972 --> 00:37:46,972 with me again? 770 00:37:47,974 --> 00:37:49,643 - Definitely, but not by yourself. 771 00:37:49,684 --> 00:37:50,936 I will have to support you. 772 00:37:50,977 --> 00:37:52,288 - You lay out all the cards, exactly. 773 00:37:52,312 --> 00:37:53,563 - Listen. 774 00:37:53,605 --> 00:37:54,731 - There's gotta be a woman. 775 00:37:54,773 --> 00:37:55,792 - That's what they know me about. 776 00:37:55,816 --> 00:37:57,567 I tell people what I, 777 00:37:57,609 --> 00:38:01,071 you need to get support with other 778 00:38:01,112 --> 00:38:02,948 movie style people around you. 779 00:38:02,989 --> 00:38:06,201 Like Gerard Butler supported with another four 780 00:38:07,369 --> 00:38:08,453 and what's his name. 781 00:38:08,495 --> 00:38:09,722 - So you want my character to go to Iraq, 782 00:38:09,746 --> 00:38:11,498 you want me to fuck four women in a hotel. 783 00:38:11,540 --> 00:38:12,666 - Five, if possible. 784 00:38:12,707 --> 00:38:14,668 - Five. - Make it better. 785 00:38:14,709 --> 00:38:19,005 That in today world, very difficult or nearly impossible, 786 00:38:19,047 --> 00:38:22,676 one man to make the movie on his own name. 787 00:38:22,717 --> 00:38:24,052 - You know, years ago, 788 00:38:26,179 --> 00:38:28,390 people would go to movies to see, 789 00:38:28,431 --> 00:38:31,059 oh, it's a Johnny Depp movie, I'm gonna go see it. 790 00:38:32,435 --> 00:38:33,913 It's a Marlon Brandon film, I'm gonna go see it. 791 00:38:33,937 --> 00:38:36,022 Or even when I was popular, 792 00:38:36,064 --> 00:38:37,524 we're gonna see Jimmy, okay. 793 00:38:39,025 --> 00:38:40,485 That don't work today anymore. 794 00:38:40,527 --> 00:38:42,338 If you look at the reasons they go and they make money, 795 00:38:42,362 --> 00:38:45,407 those are all those franchise movies. 796 00:38:52,372 --> 00:38:54,875 Johnny Depp, who I think is wonderful, 797 00:38:54,916 --> 00:38:57,127 he'll make a movie that he wants to make and 798 00:38:58,545 --> 00:38:59,421 they don't care. - Oh my God, 799 00:38:59,462 --> 00:39:01,298 it's the cop we set on fire. 800 00:39:05,469 --> 00:39:06,470 - Try and look normal. 801 00:39:07,637 --> 00:39:09,157 - Usually that picture would make as much 802 00:39:09,181 --> 00:39:12,017 as the franchise movie because they were Johnny Depp fans. 803 00:39:12,976 --> 00:39:14,478 - You will not like me. 804 00:39:15,479 --> 00:39:16,897 The gentleman will be envious 805 00:39:16,938 --> 00:39:18,607 and the ladies will be repelled. 806 00:39:22,694 --> 00:39:24,738 - What about Neve Campbell? 807 00:39:24,779 --> 00:39:26,114 - Neve Campbell. 808 00:39:26,156 --> 00:39:28,658 I like Neve Campbell, she's a great this, 809 00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:30,577 but you cannot sell that. 810 00:39:30,619 --> 00:39:33,163 - In France, we use the word bankable. 811 00:39:33,205 --> 00:39:35,081 Do you use that in America? - Yes, of course. 812 00:39:35,123 --> 00:39:36,666 - Yeah, it doesn't mean anything. 813 00:39:36,708 --> 00:39:39,503 I mean, today, I would receive all the script, 814 00:39:39,544 --> 00:39:41,505 let's say, lots of scripts. 815 00:39:41,546 --> 00:39:44,174 I can read the script and see it's not me, 816 00:39:44,216 --> 00:39:46,676 but because you're top of the wave, you got the scripts. 817 00:39:46,718 --> 00:39:49,054 I think people don't care about the bankable anymore. 818 00:39:49,095 --> 00:39:50,555 They care about the story. 819 00:39:50,597 --> 00:39:52,867 When you have a good story, then they go and see the movie. 820 00:39:52,891 --> 00:39:54,392 - I don't read script. 821 00:39:54,434 --> 00:39:56,019 - What do you think about Bejo, 822 00:39:56,061 --> 00:39:58,522 if it was Bejo and I together in a film? 823 00:39:58,563 --> 00:40:00,690 - Who is Bejo? - Berenice Bejo. 824 00:40:02,776 --> 00:40:04,003 - I don't know. - You can't raise 825 00:40:04,027 --> 00:40:05,254 a lot of money with her, she was in "The Artist?" 826 00:40:05,278 --> 00:40:06,404 - I know, no. 827 00:40:06,446 --> 00:40:07,715 - They won the Oscar for last year. 828 00:40:07,739 --> 00:40:09,199 - I don't care. - She's gorgeous. 829 00:40:09,241 --> 00:40:11,618 - She's gorgeous, so is... - She's heart-stopping. 830 00:40:11,660 --> 00:40:15,205 - She's beautiful, but she's not a girl I can sell on her. 831 00:40:15,247 --> 00:40:18,708 - The thing is, I'm not 20 years old anymore. 832 00:40:18,750 --> 00:40:21,670 And I know today I'm on top of the wave, 833 00:40:21,711 --> 00:40:22,921 tomorrow I won't. 834 00:40:22,963 --> 00:40:26,091 Especially actresses, and I know how it is. 835 00:40:26,132 --> 00:40:28,760 I mean I know the business, so I don't expect anything. 836 00:40:28,802 --> 00:40:30,262 - The one that I'll do it with you 837 00:40:30,303 --> 00:40:32,264 if you can get is, what's her name, 838 00:40:32,305 --> 00:40:35,767 Natalie Portman or Mila Kunis. 839 00:40:37,185 --> 00:40:40,772 - So both me and Neve Campbell having incredibly, 840 00:40:42,107 --> 00:40:43,775 just kind of exploratory, 841 00:40:43,817 --> 00:40:47,320 I'm not gonna say animal sex, it's exploratory sex, 842 00:40:47,362 --> 00:40:50,490 new sex, new frontiers of sex in a hotel room. 843 00:40:50,532 --> 00:40:53,285 You're gonna give us what, like 50 cents to make the movie? 844 00:40:54,995 --> 00:40:58,290 - Your name and her name, something like four or $5 million. 845 00:40:59,916 --> 00:41:01,168 - Okay. - We may have to 846 00:41:01,209 --> 00:41:03,461 adjust the concept of this movie a little bit. 847 00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:09,968 Fuck these foreign sales guys. 848 00:41:10,010 --> 00:41:11,136 We don't need them anyway, 849 00:41:11,178 --> 00:41:12,679 we've got our billionaires lined up, 850 00:41:12,721 --> 00:41:15,807 Taki Theodoracopulos, the huge Greek shipping heir, 851 00:41:15,849 --> 00:41:18,685 Johnny Pigozzi, one of the richest guys in Italy, 852 00:41:18,727 --> 00:41:21,021 whom Brett Ratner is gonna introduce me to. 853 00:41:21,062 --> 00:41:23,356 We have Denise Rich's party on her yacht. 854 00:41:23,398 --> 00:41:25,400 She's got a massive settlement from her husband 855 00:41:25,442 --> 00:41:26,651 before he went on the lam. 856 00:41:26,693 --> 00:41:27,753 I know all that, there seems 857 00:41:27,777 --> 00:41:28,987 to be billionaires everywhere. 858 00:41:29,029 --> 00:41:30,739 But what makes you think they're dying 859 00:41:30,780 --> 00:41:32,199 to give any of it to us? 860 00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:33,867 All we need is one. 861 00:41:33,909 --> 00:41:35,494 And we still have Jeremy Thomas, 862 00:41:35,535 --> 00:41:37,537 we still have Asha Armitage, 863 00:41:37,579 --> 00:41:39,664 and we have several other foreign sales guys 864 00:41:39,706 --> 00:41:41,208 we haven't met yet. 865 00:41:41,249 --> 00:41:43,585 I thought you said fuck the foreign sales guys. 866 00:41:43,627 --> 00:41:45,712 Yeah, fuck the ones who didn't say yes. 867 00:41:45,754 --> 00:41:47,631 But I always try to keep an open mind. 868 00:41:49,758 --> 00:41:53,220 There's a history of coming to the Riviera 869 00:41:53,261 --> 00:41:56,264 of people of great wealth when they're in trouble. 870 00:41:56,306 --> 00:41:59,601 King Farouk left Egypt, Duvalier left Haiti 871 00:41:59,643 --> 00:42:02,646 when he was in trouble, Yeltsin left Russia 872 00:42:02,687 --> 00:42:05,732 when he was in trouble, and they all came to the Riviera. 873 00:42:05,774 --> 00:42:06,942 It's not a bad place. 874 00:42:06,983 --> 00:42:08,735 - Best buy in the world to bump into. 875 00:42:08,777 --> 00:42:09,736 You don't wanna makes plans with him, 876 00:42:09,778 --> 00:42:12,280 but you can bump into him. 877 00:42:12,322 --> 00:42:13,448 Sit down, sit down. 878 00:42:13,490 --> 00:42:14,407 Don't forget the stars we're shooting 879 00:42:14,449 --> 00:42:15,617 for "Seduced and Abandoned." 880 00:42:15,659 --> 00:42:18,286 Gosling, Chastain, we can sow the seeds 881 00:42:18,328 --> 00:42:20,539 for "Last Tango in Tikrit" with them. 882 00:42:20,580 --> 00:42:22,833 Jimmy, your optimism astonishes me 883 00:42:22,874 --> 00:42:25,210 because I expect nothing but frustration 884 00:42:25,252 --> 00:42:27,128 and disappointment from the movie business. 885 00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:29,965 I know, but not this time, believe me. 886 00:42:30,006 --> 00:42:32,175 Of all the male movie stars in the world, 887 00:42:32,217 --> 00:42:33,635 who's your favorite? 888 00:42:33,677 --> 00:42:36,346 Which actor do you fantasize about the most? 889 00:42:36,388 --> 00:42:39,057 Who is the hottest leading actor? 890 00:42:39,099 --> 00:42:41,309 Which actor would you most like to be stuck 891 00:42:41,351 --> 00:42:42,519 in an elevator with? 892 00:42:42,561 --> 00:42:44,896 Ryan Gosling. 893 00:42:46,857 --> 00:42:48,525 - Fuck, seriously. 894 00:42:48,567 --> 00:42:50,777 It's like you're photoshopped. 895 00:42:50,819 --> 00:42:52,320 - I get it, so the film, 896 00:42:52,362 --> 00:42:54,423 you're making a documentary about trying to get financing. 897 00:42:54,447 --> 00:42:56,491 - That's right. - We have a film 898 00:42:56,533 --> 00:42:58,743 we wanna make. - So you still have that, 899 00:42:58,785 --> 00:43:01,329 but would this turn into just a film about making films? 900 00:43:01,371 --> 00:43:03,248 - We're gonna make this movie no matter what. 901 00:43:03,290 --> 00:43:04,541 But "Seduced and Abandoned," 902 00:43:04,583 --> 00:43:06,042 the celebratory movie about film, 903 00:43:06,084 --> 00:43:07,603 - But the narrative of that is that you're trying 904 00:43:07,627 --> 00:43:09,754 to get funding for this other film you wanna make. 905 00:43:09,796 --> 00:43:10,940 - That's right. - Which is like 906 00:43:10,964 --> 00:43:13,758 a $50 million drama? - Probably, 907 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,760 probably, probably, probably. 908 00:43:15,802 --> 00:43:17,387 - No, no, no, for that film, 909 00:43:17,429 --> 00:43:20,390 we're gonna go in a time machine and go back to 1990 910 00:43:20,432 --> 00:43:22,267 and do the 50 million. 911 00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:23,828 Now it's like a three and a half million-dollar drama. 912 00:43:23,852 --> 00:43:27,272 - Or, no, or it's a 12 to 15 million-dollar movie 913 00:43:27,314 --> 00:43:29,941 unless you want to be written into it, 914 00:43:29,983 --> 00:43:31,252 which I'll be happy to do, and then it becomes 915 00:43:31,276 --> 00:43:32,152 a 35 to $50 million one. - If you do it with us, 916 00:43:32,194 --> 00:43:33,862 it's 150 million project. 917 00:43:35,864 --> 00:43:37,991 - Hi, guys. - What a dress. 918 00:43:38,033 --> 00:43:40,368 - I just did the photo call for "Madagascar," 919 00:43:40,410 --> 00:43:41,745 so I'm all Madagascar-ed out. 920 00:43:41,786 --> 00:43:42,786 Hi. - Beautiful. 921 00:43:44,289 --> 00:43:45,540 I don't want to touch you. 922 00:43:45,582 --> 00:43:47,626 - Oh. - 'Cause you look too good. 923 00:43:47,667 --> 00:43:50,003 I know we only have you for 10 minutes. 924 00:43:50,045 --> 00:43:51,230 - Do I need to get mic'ed or anything or are we good? 925 00:43:51,254 --> 00:43:52,273 - We're gonna boom you, I think, correct? 926 00:43:52,297 --> 00:43:54,341 - Ooh, you okay, you okay? 927 00:43:54,382 --> 00:43:55,801 - Yeah, that works quite well. 928 00:43:55,842 --> 00:43:57,028 We get her for 10 minutes and you step on her, 929 00:43:57,052 --> 00:43:58,345 that's great, thank you. 930 00:43:58,386 --> 00:44:00,514 - I loved going to school. 931 00:44:00,555 --> 00:44:02,307 A lot of people don't like drama school. 932 00:44:02,349 --> 00:44:03,892 I loved, - You went to Julliard. 933 00:44:03,934 --> 00:44:05,185 - I went to Julliard. 934 00:44:05,227 --> 00:44:08,855 It encouraged you to be crazy and be outlandish 935 00:44:08,897 --> 00:44:10,982 and try the most outrageous things 936 00:44:11,024 --> 00:44:13,819 and then fail, like fail terribly. 937 00:44:13,860 --> 00:44:15,588 But you would learn so much every time you fail. 938 00:44:15,612 --> 00:44:16,905 And now what's different? 939 00:44:16,947 --> 00:44:18,740 - Well, I try to, - We have a result 940 00:44:18,782 --> 00:44:20,325 that we have to get to. - We do. 941 00:44:20,367 --> 00:44:22,386 But what I try to do is I try now with the director, 942 00:44:22,410 --> 00:44:24,371 I try to make the director my teacher. 943 00:44:24,412 --> 00:44:26,122 - To recreate that. - So every film 944 00:44:26,164 --> 00:44:28,083 is like a master class. 945 00:44:28,124 --> 00:44:29,918 - I just love movies. 946 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,044 I always loved movies. 947 00:44:31,086 --> 00:44:34,756 Movies were like friends of mine. 948 00:44:34,798 --> 00:44:35,900 My mother wanted to punish me, 949 00:44:35,924 --> 00:44:37,300 she'd take them away from me. 950 00:44:38,635 --> 00:44:40,279 Sometimes I put 'em down the front of my pants 951 00:44:40,303 --> 00:44:42,597 'cause I liked the way they felt. 952 00:44:42,639 --> 00:44:43,890 - When I was little, my parents 953 00:44:43,932 --> 00:44:45,934 showed me movies, old movies. 954 00:44:45,976 --> 00:44:47,978 And that's how I grew up, I couldn't watch TV, 955 00:44:48,019 --> 00:44:49,479 I was not allowed. 956 00:44:49,521 --> 00:44:52,607 And then what I was doing is I would take books 957 00:44:52,649 --> 00:44:56,069 and watch the pictures so I could see Robert Mitchum, 958 00:44:56,111 --> 00:44:58,738 Joan Crawford, and everybody was very glamour. 959 00:44:58,780 --> 00:45:00,282 That's what I liked. 960 00:45:00,323 --> 00:45:02,659 Just the dream that you give to the people and the pleasure 961 00:45:02,701 --> 00:45:04,786 you have when you go and see a movie in the theater. 962 00:45:04,828 --> 00:45:06,288 That's why I wanna be an actress. 963 00:45:06,329 --> 00:45:07,515 - Because I knew I didn't wanna go to the meat market. 964 00:45:07,539 --> 00:45:08,582 You know, that was my, 965 00:45:09,791 --> 00:45:11,918 I didn't wanna lug meat down in 14th Street 966 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,003 the rest of my life. 967 00:45:13,044 --> 00:45:14,504 So the only thing that was left, 968 00:45:14,546 --> 00:45:16,840 I mean was I walked into the neighborhood playhouse. 969 00:45:16,882 --> 00:45:18,776 - I'm from a very, very small village in Germany, 970 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,511 with 2,000 people, we don't even have a bar. 971 00:45:21,553 --> 00:45:23,472 I started out dancing, I was a ballet dancer. 972 00:45:23,513 --> 00:45:25,390 I studied with the Royal Academy of London. 973 00:45:25,432 --> 00:45:28,226 From a very young age, I grew up learning 974 00:45:28,268 --> 00:45:33,356 how to express emotions and whatever anger or anxieties 975 00:45:36,860 --> 00:45:37,736 I would have, because I was 976 00:45:37,777 --> 00:45:39,571 definitely an angry teenager. 977 00:45:39,613 --> 00:45:41,406 - My uncle was an Elvis impersonator, 978 00:45:42,616 --> 00:45:45,076 so I was in his act when I was, like, three. 979 00:45:45,118 --> 00:45:47,245 He had the jumpsuit, he had the sequins. 980 00:45:47,287 --> 00:45:48,872 He was sequining the thing himself. 981 00:45:48,914 --> 00:45:51,416 He was standing in the mirror, he was working on the voice, 982 00:45:51,458 --> 00:45:53,668 he's working on the songs. 983 00:45:53,710 --> 00:45:55,629 - And you're watching this. - I'm watching him 984 00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:57,297 create the character. 985 00:45:57,339 --> 00:46:00,258 - I'm always working on something, but I don't mind that. 986 00:46:00,300 --> 00:46:02,594 Like I was the student at school that during critiques, 987 00:46:02,636 --> 00:46:05,764 my teachers, their critique was, you work too hard, 988 00:46:05,806 --> 00:46:07,098 you should play more. 989 00:46:07,140 --> 00:46:08,659 - And at a certain point, because I was there, 990 00:46:08,683 --> 00:46:11,478 he thought, they should put me in the act, it'd be funny. 991 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:12,955 - And what did you do? - They made me 992 00:46:12,979 --> 00:46:14,731 the head of security. 993 00:46:14,773 --> 00:46:16,608 They pushed me out ahead of him 994 00:46:16,650 --> 00:46:18,985 and there's hundreds of people, 995 00:46:19,027 --> 00:46:22,489 and he's Elvis, I mean Elvis Perry. 996 00:46:23,698 --> 00:46:25,492 And he has no hair, a mustache, 997 00:46:25,534 --> 00:46:26,827 and a big birthmark on his face. 998 00:46:26,868 --> 00:46:28,370 But I swear to God, he became Elvis. 999 00:46:28,411 --> 00:46:31,122 Or at least he did to all of us at that time. 1000 00:46:31,164 --> 00:46:36,169 - Being able to allow myself to be so vulnerable and so open 1001 00:46:37,754 --> 00:46:42,467 to so many people staring at you and being able to feel, 1002 00:46:42,509 --> 00:46:46,805 and the process of getting to a certain level of emotion 1003 00:46:46,847 --> 00:46:49,724 is very, it makes me feel alive. 1004 00:46:49,766 --> 00:46:52,060 - I have an idea of what my journey is 1005 00:46:52,102 --> 00:46:54,020 as the character in the film, 1006 00:46:54,062 --> 00:46:56,481 but I don't know exactly what I'm gonna do in the scene 1007 00:46:56,523 --> 00:46:59,109 until I look into the eyes of the person speaking to me 1008 00:46:59,151 --> 00:47:00,569 and what they're doing. 1009 00:47:00,610 --> 00:47:02,338 I always try to act with people who are better than me 1010 00:47:02,362 --> 00:47:04,739 because it really puts me on my toes. 1011 00:47:04,781 --> 00:47:06,408 I have to rise to the occasion. 1012 00:47:06,449 --> 00:47:09,494 It's this moment of panic, I have to keep up. 1013 00:47:09,536 --> 00:47:13,248 - It's so rare to, as an actor, to do a scene 1014 00:47:13,290 --> 00:47:16,334 and allow yourself to get lost in it 1015 00:47:16,376 --> 00:47:18,062 to the point where you don't know what you did 1016 00:47:18,086 --> 00:47:19,087 when you're way out. 1017 00:47:21,047 --> 00:47:23,383 And if Francis would say, great, let's go, 1018 00:47:23,425 --> 00:47:27,429 I knew it was great, or good, or at least satisfied him. 1019 00:47:27,471 --> 00:47:29,097 - And you just do what I tell you to do. 1020 00:47:29,139 --> 00:47:30,891 God dammit, if I had a wartime consigliere, 1021 00:47:30,932 --> 00:47:33,435 a Sicilian, I wouldn't be in this shape. 1022 00:47:33,477 --> 00:47:34,978 Pop had Genco, look what I got. 1023 00:47:39,191 --> 00:47:41,109 I'm sorry, I didn't mean that. 1024 00:47:41,151 --> 00:47:43,737 - But most of the time figuratively speaking, 1025 00:47:43,778 --> 00:47:45,822 you have to sort of keep an eye outside of yourself 1026 00:47:45,864 --> 00:47:47,175 pointing at the woods, so that's 10% 1027 00:47:47,199 --> 00:47:48,783 that's not really involved. 1028 00:47:48,825 --> 00:47:51,119 - Your job is to make it seem like something new 1029 00:47:51,161 --> 00:47:52,329 is happening every time. 1030 00:47:53,705 --> 00:47:55,665 And that's out the window when you come to set 1031 00:47:55,707 --> 00:47:57,292 and everyone's got sides in their pocket 1032 00:47:57,334 --> 00:47:59,920 and even the electrician knows what you're going to say. 1033 00:47:59,961 --> 00:48:02,839 You're stumbling through this blocking rehearsal, 1034 00:48:02,881 --> 00:48:05,634 suddenly some guy's putting tape on the floor 1035 00:48:05,675 --> 00:48:07,195 and now for the rest of the day, you're married 1036 00:48:07,219 --> 00:48:08,678 to where you stood at 6:00 a.m. 1037 00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:09,864 They start with the wide shot, 1038 00:48:09,888 --> 00:48:12,390 which in most things they never use. 1039 00:48:12,432 --> 00:48:14,726 And you're spending all of the newness 1040 00:48:14,768 --> 00:48:16,186 of it on the wide shots. 1041 00:48:16,228 --> 00:48:17,705 Then they get closer and closer and closer. 1042 00:48:17,729 --> 00:48:19,540 And by the end of the day they're on the closeup, 1043 00:48:19,564 --> 00:48:21,525 which is all they ever use. 1044 00:48:21,566 --> 00:48:24,486 And they use the last one because that's when you got it. 1045 00:48:24,528 --> 00:48:25,654 That's when you nailed it. 1046 00:48:25,695 --> 00:48:28,532 But it's now you're talking like a robot and 1047 00:48:29,908 --> 00:48:31,409 you leave set feeling like a failure 1048 00:48:31,451 --> 00:48:34,496 because you feel like nothing changed. 1049 00:48:34,538 --> 00:48:35,789 - If we have the dialogue, 1050 00:48:35,831 --> 00:48:37,308 yes, there's a script for "Mean Streets," 1051 00:48:37,332 --> 00:48:40,418 but the reality is that if you have Bob and Harvey 1052 00:48:40,460 --> 00:48:42,045 and the other people on the scene, 1053 00:48:42,087 --> 00:48:44,089 they know the people that they're dealing with. 1054 00:48:44,130 --> 00:48:46,925 I hope that they bring something, I'm afraid, 1055 00:48:46,967 --> 00:48:51,221 at the same time I'm afraid, can I, how should I put it, 1056 00:48:51,263 --> 00:48:54,975 can I create an atmosphere that will bring out something 1057 00:48:55,016 --> 00:48:56,309 that I think is wonderful, 1058 00:48:56,351 --> 00:48:58,270 something I hadn't expected at all? 1059 00:48:58,311 --> 00:49:00,272 - The best experiences I've ever had, 1060 00:49:00,313 --> 00:49:02,107 it was the environment that I was in 1061 00:49:02,149 --> 00:49:05,068 that got the best work out of me. 1062 00:49:05,110 --> 00:49:09,614 Michelle and I, although involved in the film for years, 1063 00:49:11,199 --> 00:49:13,118 didn't know each other at all. 1064 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,704 And he structured it so that we would 1065 00:49:15,745 --> 00:49:17,455 get to know one another on film. 1066 00:49:18,623 --> 00:49:20,208 So when we're walking around, I mean, 1067 00:49:20,250 --> 00:49:22,335 we're dictating where we go. 1068 00:49:22,377 --> 00:49:24,045 And we wanna walk this way, 1069 00:49:24,087 --> 00:49:25,839 we walk that way, we schedule a night, 1070 00:49:25,881 --> 00:49:27,966 we're just gonna walk around and do whatever we want 1071 00:49:28,008 --> 00:49:29,176 and they're going to film it. 1072 00:49:29,217 --> 00:49:32,512 And that's us getting to know one another. 1073 00:49:32,554 --> 00:49:36,892 - The good directors, they're supervisors. 1074 00:49:36,933 --> 00:49:39,186 If I know my relationship, I know what I want from you, 1075 00:49:39,227 --> 00:49:41,021 I know what the conflict is. 1076 00:49:41,062 --> 00:49:42,689 If I have trouble memorizing, 1077 00:49:42,731 --> 00:49:45,066 it's pretty much written wrong. 1078 00:49:45,108 --> 00:49:47,086 - For example, in that "Goodfellas" where Joe Pesci 1079 00:49:47,110 --> 00:49:49,529 does, what do you think I'm funny? 1080 00:49:50,947 --> 00:49:53,492 Literally, was something that had happened to Joe. 1081 00:49:53,533 --> 00:49:56,328 He said, I'd do the picture if you put the scene in. 1082 00:49:59,289 --> 00:50:00,248 - The fuckers. 1083 00:50:00,290 --> 00:50:01,958 Gee, I wish I was big just once. 1084 00:50:04,044 --> 00:50:05,921 We're the big cops. - You're a pisser. 1085 00:50:05,962 --> 00:50:07,172 You're really funny. 1086 00:50:07,214 --> 00:50:09,257 You're really funny. 1087 00:50:09,299 --> 00:50:10,459 - What do you mean I'm funny? 1088 00:50:11,802 --> 00:50:14,221 - It's funny, you know, it's a good story. 1089 00:50:14,262 --> 00:50:15,806 It's funny, you're a funny guy. 1090 00:50:17,182 --> 00:50:19,059 - What do you mean, you mean the way I talk? 1091 00:50:20,519 --> 00:50:23,063 - It's just, you know, it's, you're just funny, it's, 1092 00:50:24,648 --> 00:50:26,292 funny, you know, the way you tell the story and everything. 1093 00:50:26,316 --> 00:50:29,820 - Funny how, I mean, what's funny about it? 1094 00:50:29,861 --> 00:50:30,821 - Tommy, no, you got it all wrong. 1095 00:50:30,862 --> 00:50:33,448 - Whoa, Anthony, he's a big boy. 1096 00:50:33,490 --> 00:50:35,075 He knows what he said, what'd you say? 1097 00:50:35,116 --> 00:50:36,326 - You're right. - Funny how? 1098 00:50:36,368 --> 00:50:38,912 - It's two cameras and it's two medium shots 1099 00:50:38,954 --> 00:50:41,206 with everybody around him because as the tone 1100 00:50:41,248 --> 00:50:45,627 of the scene changes, the people's faces around them change, 1101 00:50:45,669 --> 00:50:46,962 the atmosphere changes. 1102 00:50:48,380 --> 00:50:51,466 But I had to work it with Joe so that he did 1103 00:50:51,508 --> 00:50:54,803 five or six improvisations with Ray 1104 00:50:54,845 --> 00:50:58,557 and we were fooling around with it and I typed up stuff. 1105 00:50:58,598 --> 00:51:00,517 But we had to hit certain levels 1106 00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:02,245 and I had to keep guiding Joe to that level. 1107 00:51:02,269 --> 00:51:03,687 - Oh no, you said it. 1108 00:51:03,728 --> 00:51:05,522 How do I know, you said I'm funny. 1109 00:51:05,564 --> 00:51:06,857 How the fuck am I funny? 1110 00:51:06,898 --> 00:51:09,025 What the fuck is so funny about me? 1111 00:51:09,067 --> 00:51:10,569 Tell me, tell me what's funny. 1112 00:51:16,575 --> 00:51:19,244 - Get the fuck out of here, Tommy. 1113 00:51:19,286 --> 00:51:20,954 - The motherfucker, I almost had him. 1114 00:51:20,996 --> 00:51:22,205 I almost had him. 1115 00:51:22,247 --> 00:51:24,332 - Woody Allen is the perfect director. 1116 00:51:24,374 --> 00:51:27,210 And who he reminds me of, oddly enough, in the moment, 1117 00:51:27,252 --> 00:51:31,548 in the actual work is John Hughes, the late John Hughes. 1118 00:51:31,590 --> 00:51:34,885 'Cause Hughes was a very successful writer-director. 1119 00:51:34,926 --> 00:51:36,386 And yet, when I did one of the, 1120 00:51:36,428 --> 00:51:39,097 I did the first real movie I did was with Hughes, 1121 00:51:39,139 --> 00:51:41,141 this movie "She's Having a Baby" with Kevin Bacon 1122 00:51:41,183 --> 00:51:43,435 and Elizabeth McGovern, and Hughes would sit there 1123 00:51:43,477 --> 00:51:44,936 and we would do a scene. 1124 00:51:44,978 --> 00:51:47,123 And if he wasn't satisfied with the way it was playing, 1125 00:51:47,147 --> 00:51:49,399 he would jokingly stand up and say, who wrote this shit? 1126 00:51:49,441 --> 00:51:51,276 And he'd throw the script on the ground. 1127 00:51:51,318 --> 00:51:52,819 And Woody's the same way. 1128 00:51:52,861 --> 00:51:57,157 You think of all the awards he's been nominated for and won. 1129 00:51:57,199 --> 00:52:00,243 And you think of how essential his career is 1130 00:52:00,285 --> 00:52:02,829 and the first words out of his mouth are, he goes, 1131 00:52:02,871 --> 00:52:06,041 and if you don't wanna say any of this, of course, 1132 00:52:06,082 --> 00:52:07,626 don't say any of it. 1133 00:52:07,667 --> 00:52:11,254 You say as much of it or as little of it as you care to. 1134 00:52:11,296 --> 00:52:13,507 And you're sitting there going, my God, 1135 00:52:13,548 --> 00:52:14,841 I mean, the ego. 1136 00:52:14,883 --> 00:52:17,385 And I've worked with guys who don't have, 1137 00:52:18,845 --> 00:52:22,474 Woody Allen has more talent in his toenail clippings 1138 00:52:22,516 --> 00:52:25,018 than these motherfuckers have in their whole body. 1139 00:52:25,060 --> 00:52:28,396 And they're sitting they're going, you said perhaps, 1140 00:52:29,898 --> 00:52:33,819 but I think you should say maybe we'll go to the party. 1141 00:52:33,860 --> 00:52:36,071 Not, you said perhaps, we're gonna go again. 1142 00:52:36,112 --> 00:52:38,824 - I'm not precious about my scripts. 1143 00:52:38,865 --> 00:52:41,827 I still feel like a novice writer. 1144 00:52:41,868 --> 00:52:43,954 I'd certainly feel like a novice director. 1145 00:52:43,995 --> 00:52:46,957 And I'm open to suggestions. 1146 00:52:46,998 --> 00:52:49,835 I like improvisation, you know, once in a while, 1147 00:52:51,044 --> 00:52:52,480 your an idea that's just totally fucked 1148 00:52:52,504 --> 00:52:54,589 and you have to humor. 1149 00:52:55,966 --> 00:52:57,467 - That ain't no Etch-a-Sketch. 1150 00:52:58,802 --> 00:53:01,054 This is one doodle that can't be undid, home skillet. 1151 00:53:02,264 --> 00:53:04,307 - But I had a really conventional upbringing, 1152 00:53:04,349 --> 00:53:07,269 Catholic, so that messes you up. 1153 00:53:07,310 --> 00:53:11,106 I went to college, I started working at an ad agency, 1154 00:53:11,148 --> 00:53:12,416 answering phones, making coffee, 1155 00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,276 making coffees, totally miserable. 1156 00:53:14,317 --> 00:53:17,237 And I realized I was bored with my life. 1157 00:53:17,279 --> 00:53:21,658 I wanted to try something that seemed kind of bizarre 1158 00:53:21,700 --> 00:53:25,537 and out of my comfort zone, so I started stripping. 1159 00:53:25,579 --> 00:53:27,557 That was the first time my writing got any attention 1160 00:53:27,581 --> 00:53:29,833 because I was writing about it on a regular basis 1161 00:53:29,875 --> 00:53:32,460 and suddenly people wanted to hear what I had to say. 1162 00:53:32,502 --> 00:53:34,087 - I always wanted to be a writer 1163 00:53:35,547 --> 00:53:37,090 from the time I began. 1164 00:53:37,132 --> 00:53:39,009 And so what I was going to use 1165 00:53:39,050 --> 00:53:44,055 with my better financial situation was to really do 1166 00:53:45,765 --> 00:53:47,017 a great big art film. 1167 00:53:48,351 --> 00:53:50,854 I made some films that, of course, I'm proud of, 1168 00:53:50,896 --> 00:53:54,316 but the kind of of film that I have in my mind 1169 00:53:54,357 --> 00:53:57,569 or in my heart, the kind of emotion 1170 00:53:57,611 --> 00:53:59,529 that I would love to get at, 1171 00:54:00,780 --> 00:54:03,033 I haven't quite ever gotten to do that. 1172 00:54:03,074 --> 00:54:05,327 - Honestly, I'd been writing since childhood, 1173 00:54:05,368 --> 00:54:07,204 but I was always interested in prose. 1174 00:54:07,245 --> 00:54:09,873 I went through the sort of standard 1175 00:54:09,915 --> 00:54:12,250 Anne Sexton, Sylvia Plath phase. 1176 00:54:12,292 --> 00:54:15,253 - Does the choice of Anne Sexton and Sylvia Plath 1177 00:54:15,295 --> 00:54:19,216 suggest that you had early suicidal thoughts? 1178 00:54:19,257 --> 00:54:22,260 - Yeah, early, middle, recent. 1179 00:54:22,302 --> 00:54:23,762 - Yeah, right. - Yeah. 1180 00:54:23,804 --> 00:54:27,599 - What do you use to block yourself from acting it out? 1181 00:54:27,641 --> 00:54:30,227 - I think that is, I mean, I think for a lot of people, 1182 00:54:30,268 --> 00:54:32,145 and probably for yourself as well, 1183 00:54:32,187 --> 00:54:34,773 creating and writing are a catharsis. 1184 00:54:34,815 --> 00:54:36,817 It's a form of self-medicating. 1185 00:54:36,858 --> 00:54:38,985 I am actually a very driven person. 1186 00:54:39,027 --> 00:54:40,505 I'm always trying to think of the next thing 1187 00:54:40,529 --> 00:54:41,655 I'm going to do. 1188 00:54:41,696 --> 00:54:43,990 And I think that knowing that you're building 1189 00:54:44,032 --> 00:54:47,244 to something prevents you from being totally nihilistic. 1190 00:54:48,537 --> 00:54:51,248 - We started shooting without the end scene 1191 00:54:52,415 --> 00:54:54,835 because I had the argument with Bob Towne. 1192 00:54:54,876 --> 00:54:59,631 Bob wanted the happy end. 1193 00:54:59,673 --> 00:55:01,258 When I say this is impossible, 1194 00:55:01,299 --> 00:55:05,804 if you want this film to have any impact on the audience, 1195 00:55:05,846 --> 00:55:08,014 she has to die, there must be some kind of, 1196 00:55:08,932 --> 00:55:10,851 the evil has to win. 1197 00:55:12,269 --> 00:55:13,854 - Forget it, Jake, it's Chinatown 1198 00:55:15,397 --> 00:55:17,941 - It's a quick, what Mickey Cohen used to call ankedote. 1199 00:55:19,401 --> 00:55:21,903 There's a great story that Charlotte Chandler tells 1200 00:55:21,945 --> 00:55:26,408 about Mastroianni and Fellini on "La Dolce Vita." 1201 00:55:27,576 --> 00:55:29,119 Fellini wanted him to do it, 1202 00:55:29,161 --> 00:55:32,164 offered him the part, Mastroianni wanted to see a script. 1203 00:55:32,205 --> 00:55:34,082 Fellini said there is no script. 1204 00:55:34,124 --> 00:55:35,667 Mastroianni said I need one. 1205 00:55:35,709 --> 00:55:38,170 Fellini handed him a manuscript, 1206 00:55:38,211 --> 00:55:41,673 a thick one with all blank pages except for one page 1207 00:55:41,715 --> 00:55:43,592 in which there's a drawing of Mastroianni 1208 00:55:43,633 --> 00:55:45,760 on a boat in the ocean. 1209 00:55:45,802 --> 00:55:48,597 And his prick was hanging down, 1210 00:55:48,638 --> 00:55:50,974 sticking down into the bottom of the ocean 1211 00:55:51,016 --> 00:55:53,768 with a beautiful mermaid swimming around 1212 00:55:53,810 --> 00:55:55,312 the shaft of his prick. 1213 00:55:55,353 --> 00:55:58,273 And Mastroianni looked at it and said, I'm gonna do it, 1214 00:55:58,315 --> 00:55:59,774 that's an interesting part. 1215 00:56:01,860 --> 00:56:03,403 - The film we wanna make is 1216 00:56:03,445 --> 00:56:08,200 I am a government operative and the woman is a reporter, 1217 00:56:09,117 --> 00:56:10,285 kind of a lefty journalist 1218 00:56:10,327 --> 00:56:11,967 and the two of them are complete opposites 1219 00:56:11,995 --> 00:56:14,414 and they meet in Iraq during the war. 1220 00:56:14,456 --> 00:56:17,000 So basically we come together and it's like, 1221 00:56:17,042 --> 00:56:19,336 the world is ending, let's fuck. 1222 00:56:19,377 --> 00:56:23,173 And then they have this crazy, 1223 00:56:23,215 --> 00:56:25,425 we call the movie "Last Tango in Tikrit." 1224 00:56:25,467 --> 00:56:26,694 - Okay, okay, wow. - Two of them 1225 00:56:26,718 --> 00:56:28,196 in the same hotel room. - It's deep, man. 1226 00:56:28,220 --> 00:56:31,348 - We wanna explore what happens between men and women. 1227 00:56:31,389 --> 00:56:34,184 Now would that kind of a film interest you? 1228 00:56:34,226 --> 00:56:35,727 - You know, I couldn't tell you. 1229 00:56:35,769 --> 00:56:38,396 I would be happy to read the script. 1230 00:56:38,438 --> 00:56:40,398 Your pitch has not convinced me yet, 1231 00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,484 but I'm willing to give it a shot. 1232 00:56:44,444 --> 00:56:46,571 - This has been invaluable. 1233 00:56:46,613 --> 00:56:49,241 And it shows that we have to polish the pitch. 1234 00:56:50,742 --> 00:56:54,996 We need to, we'll set up another bevy of sales agents. 1235 00:56:55,038 --> 00:56:56,498 We need three or four more. 1236 00:56:56,540 --> 00:56:57,975 - We have one set up for tomorrow morning at nine. 1237 00:56:57,999 --> 00:56:59,417 And you'll bring cash. 1238 00:56:59,459 --> 00:57:01,753 - Yeah, in a brown envelope. 1239 00:57:01,795 --> 00:57:04,798 I assume there's no car chases. 1240 00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:06,675 - No. - Or explosions in there. 1241 00:57:06,716 --> 00:57:08,218 - No. - I absolutely think 1242 00:57:08,260 --> 00:57:10,720 that Alec has the capabilities, 1243 00:57:10,762 --> 00:57:14,266 one of those few actors who can kind of cut across 1244 00:57:14,307 --> 00:57:17,602 all of the genres and has done it, obviously, 1245 00:57:17,644 --> 00:57:19,104 over his career. 1246 00:57:19,146 --> 00:57:21,439 Can you shoot the movie in Russia and then maybe do 1247 00:57:21,481 --> 00:57:24,067 a part of it in China and have perhaps 1248 00:57:24,109 --> 00:57:28,321 a Chinese, Japanese, Russian, and Brazilian star in it? 1249 00:57:28,363 --> 00:57:31,324 Then you could perhaps surround him with them. 1250 00:57:31,366 --> 00:57:32,868 - Yes, the answer's yes. 1251 00:57:32,909 --> 00:57:35,287 - And work with the emerging markets in such a way 1252 00:57:35,328 --> 00:57:37,080 that your movie would be financed to the, 1253 00:57:37,122 --> 00:57:39,166 - Yes. - At one market. 1254 00:57:39,207 --> 00:57:43,795 - I can justify just about anything. 1255 00:57:43,837 --> 00:57:46,006 - It's very hard to find anybody today who says, 1256 00:57:46,047 --> 00:57:48,467 I want to do that, I want to do that. 1257 00:57:48,508 --> 00:57:50,177 No, let's run the numbers. 1258 00:57:50,218 --> 00:57:53,472 So it's not anybody who's got a vision anymore. 1259 00:57:53,513 --> 00:57:56,057 The visionary studio boss is a thing of the past. 1260 00:57:56,099 --> 00:57:59,853 - Is the funding that we potentially might be able 1261 00:57:59,895 --> 00:58:02,856 to get from you coming from you 1262 00:58:02,898 --> 00:58:05,692 or is it coming from sources to which you have access? 1263 00:58:05,734 --> 00:58:07,819 Am I sitting with the one, 1264 00:58:07,861 --> 00:58:10,739 is this something that you can do by your own fiat? 1265 00:58:10,780 --> 00:58:12,199 - I need my partners involved. 1266 00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:13,366 - You do? - Yeah. 1267 00:58:13,408 --> 00:58:16,161 - But are you the, I swear to you 1268 00:58:16,203 --> 00:58:18,371 I will not repeat this, 1269 00:58:18,413 --> 00:58:20,916 are you the strongest voice in that partnership, 1270 00:58:22,459 --> 00:58:27,088 assuming we need between 15 and, say, $18 million? 1271 00:58:27,130 --> 00:58:28,381 - 15, 20 million too much. 1272 00:58:28,423 --> 00:58:31,092 - It shouldn't exceed 10 million. 1273 00:58:31,134 --> 00:58:32,928 - Film has to have better relation 1274 00:58:32,969 --> 00:58:34,763 to what you can get back for it. 1275 00:58:34,805 --> 00:58:36,616 - Five is always the best because that's always, 1276 00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:40,477 I find that the threshold is when that's the limit 1277 00:58:40,519 --> 00:58:41,937 when people still make money 1278 00:58:41,978 --> 00:58:43,480 and then when they start losing money. 1279 00:58:43,522 --> 00:58:44,773 - When you said what you did 1280 00:58:44,815 --> 00:58:47,400 about an international cast and locations, 1281 00:58:47,442 --> 00:58:50,403 was that 100% serious or was it metaphorical? 1282 00:58:50,445 --> 00:58:52,572 - It was metaphorical. - Okay, but I'm 1283 00:58:52,614 --> 00:58:53,865 a flexible guy. 1284 00:58:57,202 --> 00:58:59,454 Put it this way, I'm a prostitute who would've done 1285 00:58:59,496 --> 00:59:01,414 what I'm doing as a prostitute anyway. 1286 00:59:05,794 --> 00:59:09,047 What we can find out here is logistically 1287 00:59:09,089 --> 00:59:12,008 what kind of cooperation we can expect, 1288 00:59:12,050 --> 00:59:13,677 what kind of tax breaks, 1289 00:59:13,718 --> 00:59:16,179 what kind of advantages to shoot in one place 1290 00:59:16,221 --> 00:59:19,933 as opposed to another, Iraq, Tunisia, Abu Dhabi. 1291 00:59:22,894 --> 00:59:24,563 - Tunisia. - Welcome. 1292 00:59:24,604 --> 00:59:26,189 - Bon jour, bon jour. 1293 00:59:26,231 --> 00:59:27,065 - Bon jour. - Bon jour. 1294 00:59:27,107 --> 00:59:28,358 - Hi. - Hi. 1295 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,569 And she says, ay, ay, ay. 1296 00:59:30,610 --> 00:59:32,338 - We don't need a translator, you speak perfect English. 1297 00:59:32,362 --> 00:59:33,572 - I certainly do. 1298 00:59:33,613 --> 00:59:35,699 - We are here looking for film finance, 1299 00:59:35,740 --> 00:59:37,909 because the film we're shooting is in Iraq. 1300 00:59:37,951 --> 00:59:40,871 Our film requires a backdrop of war. 1301 00:59:40,912 --> 00:59:45,959 I am an American government operative in the Bush era, 1302 00:59:47,460 --> 00:59:48,795 the war maker. 1303 00:59:48,837 --> 00:59:51,006 He's a CIA operator who's a conservative, 1304 00:59:51,047 --> 00:59:53,758 he's a hawk in the purest American terms, 1305 00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:55,594 who meets a liberal journalist. 1306 00:59:55,635 --> 00:59:58,889 - We could shoot Tunisia for Iraq and make it believable, 1307 00:59:58,930 --> 01:00:00,098 right? - Yeah. 1308 01:00:00,140 --> 01:00:01,617 - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, it's the same. 1309 01:00:01,641 --> 01:00:02,601 - Which do you think is better, Tunisia or Morocco? 1310 01:00:02,642 --> 01:00:04,102 - Yeah, yeah. 1311 01:00:04,144 --> 01:00:05,812 So if I'm in Abu Dhabi, which is a city. 1312 01:00:05,854 --> 01:00:09,399 - Yeah, it's an Emirate, it's kind one of several... 1313 01:00:09,441 --> 01:00:10,793 - It's like New York, New York is in Emirate. 1314 01:00:10,817 --> 01:00:13,570 I live in New York. - Okay. 1315 01:00:13,612 --> 01:00:14,672 It's a large area. - Yeah, I live 1316 01:00:14,696 --> 01:00:15,822 in an Emirate, too. - Right. 1317 01:00:15,864 --> 01:00:17,824 - We're trying to get an idea of what's 1318 01:00:17,866 --> 01:00:20,327 the most physically beautiful 1319 01:00:20,368 --> 01:00:24,289 and also the greatest governmental cooperation. 1320 01:00:24,331 --> 01:00:26,333 - Today, we just announced an incentive package. 1321 01:00:26,374 --> 01:00:28,543 - We have an incentive, a financial incentive. 1322 01:00:28,585 --> 01:00:30,921 - Do you have a film fund that's similar, 1323 01:00:30,962 --> 01:00:32,422 that's government funded? - We do. 1324 01:00:32,464 --> 01:00:35,091 - Does the government invest in an American production? 1325 01:00:35,133 --> 01:00:37,677 Do they become partners? - Yeah. 1326 01:00:37,719 --> 01:00:39,513 - Yeah, it could, it could be possible, yes. 1327 01:00:39,554 --> 01:00:41,306 Yes, for sure. - Yeah, Tunisia's beautiful. 1328 01:00:41,348 --> 01:00:42,974 We have walked the, 1329 01:00:43,016 --> 01:00:45,811 we have walked this complex for a couple days now, 1330 01:00:45,852 --> 01:00:47,687 looking for the Iraqi Film Commission. 1331 01:00:47,729 --> 01:00:49,564 Where is the Iraqi Film Commission? 1332 01:00:49,606 --> 01:00:51,316 I don't know. - Why don't they have one? 1333 01:00:51,358 --> 01:00:52,818 - No, I don't think there are any. 1334 01:00:52,859 --> 01:00:54,319 - Why? 1335 01:00:54,361 --> 01:00:56,571 Are there films shooting in Iraq? 1336 01:00:56,613 --> 01:00:58,156 - I'm not aware of any. 1337 01:00:58,198 --> 01:01:00,092 - Why don't the Iraqis have a film commission to shoot? 1338 01:01:00,116 --> 01:01:01,427 - I think, again, I think you need 1339 01:01:01,451 --> 01:01:03,328 to put the question to the Iraqis. 1340 01:01:03,370 --> 01:01:04,246 - Okay, you're very good. 1341 01:01:04,287 --> 01:01:06,373 - This is a highly sexual movie. 1342 01:01:06,414 --> 01:01:07,767 Political drama, - It's an examination 1343 01:01:07,791 --> 01:01:11,711 of the exchange of energy, if you will. 1344 01:01:11,753 --> 01:01:14,422 - There is a lot of specific sexual behavior in the movie. 1345 01:01:14,464 --> 01:01:16,508 - Eroticism, love scenes. 1346 01:01:16,550 --> 01:01:19,678 - Is there any chance, even a sliver, 1347 01:01:19,719 --> 01:01:22,264 - I don't want to be in a bed with Neve Campbell 1348 01:01:22,305 --> 01:01:24,933 with a camera rolling and the Jordanian censors 1349 01:01:24,975 --> 01:01:26,101 kick the door down. 1350 01:01:26,143 --> 01:01:27,245 - It's me that reads the script 1351 01:01:27,269 --> 01:01:28,770 in the Moroccan Cinema Center. 1352 01:01:28,812 --> 01:01:31,940 - So if we make a very sexually exploratory film 1353 01:01:31,982 --> 01:01:33,292 and you read the script, - Yes, I would. 1354 01:01:33,316 --> 01:01:34,956 - And you agree that we can make the film, 1355 01:01:34,985 --> 01:01:36,825 that's gonna tell us a lot about you, isn't it? 1356 01:01:36,862 --> 01:01:37,862 - Yes. 1357 01:01:45,495 --> 01:01:48,957 Ultimately, immortality is the goal of many, 1358 01:01:48,999 --> 01:01:52,002 if not most, of the people who spend their lives 1359 01:01:52,043 --> 01:01:56,256 in the movie business, the chance to live forever. 1360 01:01:56,298 --> 01:01:58,008 And I'm not talking about in the minds 1361 01:01:58,049 --> 01:02:02,012 of those close to them, but in the cinematic memories 1362 01:02:02,053 --> 01:02:03,889 of generations to come. 1363 01:02:05,015 --> 01:02:06,015 - Stella! 1364 01:02:07,893 --> 01:02:10,896 It's no coincidence that Marilyn Monroe 1365 01:02:10,937 --> 01:02:14,024 is on the poster for this year's festival. 1366 01:02:14,065 --> 01:02:19,029 Monroe, the greatest example of immortality through death. 1367 01:02:24,743 --> 01:02:27,037 Johnny Pigozzi's a car magnate, 1368 01:02:27,078 --> 01:02:28,997 his father owns Simca. 1369 01:02:29,039 --> 01:02:30,499 He's got an island in Panama. 1370 01:02:30,540 --> 01:02:33,293 He's got an apartment in New York, apartment in London, 1371 01:02:33,335 --> 01:02:34,586 an apartment in Switzerland. 1372 01:02:34,628 --> 01:02:36,397 He's got a lot of money and he's a big investor. 1373 01:02:36,421 --> 01:02:38,256 He takes risks. - So getting 15 million 1374 01:02:38,298 --> 01:02:40,383 from him for a movie should be no problem. 1375 01:02:40,425 --> 01:02:41,510 - No problem, absolutely. 1376 01:02:41,551 --> 01:02:42,928 Johnny. 1377 01:02:42,969 --> 01:02:45,555 It's my friend James Toback I was telling you about. 1378 01:02:45,597 --> 01:02:48,058 - How much time do you spend here during the year? 1379 01:02:48,099 --> 01:02:49,935 - About a month a year. 1380 01:02:49,976 --> 01:02:52,103 - This is so beautiful. - It is. 1381 01:02:52,145 --> 01:02:53,814 But I have to thank my father for this. 1382 01:02:53,855 --> 01:02:55,774 I'm not responsible for any of what is here. 1383 01:02:55,816 --> 01:02:58,944 - Well, I think it's wonderful to have a father 1384 01:02:58,985 --> 01:02:59,986 who took care of you. 1385 01:03:00,028 --> 01:03:01,738 - Yeah, he did very well. 1386 01:03:01,780 --> 01:03:03,615 - And you'll do the same for us. 1387 01:03:05,033 --> 01:03:07,494 What do you take your real sense of identity from? 1388 01:03:07,536 --> 01:03:11,289 What makes you just a general lover of life? 1389 01:03:11,331 --> 01:03:14,543 Or is there one specific thing that makes you feel the way, 1390 01:03:14,584 --> 01:03:17,462 I would say a filmmaker, without which I have 1391 01:03:17,504 --> 01:03:19,005 no real sense of identity? 1392 01:03:19,047 --> 01:03:23,009 - Because in addition to that, you have tried many things. 1393 01:03:23,051 --> 01:03:26,471 You've been writing and you've been the tennis, 1394 01:03:26,513 --> 01:03:30,225 and the martial arts, and everything, and the writing books. 1395 01:03:30,267 --> 01:03:31,577 You're someone who could have sat back 1396 01:03:31,601 --> 01:03:32,870 and you didn't have to do anything, correcT? 1397 01:03:32,894 --> 01:03:35,188 - Well, unfortunately, I hate to say this, 1398 01:03:35,230 --> 01:03:39,025 but without my father, I would've been nothing. 1399 01:03:39,067 --> 01:03:41,069 Couldn't, you know, let's face it. 1400 01:03:41,111 --> 01:03:43,488 It's held me back in writing because a lot of people, 1401 01:03:43,530 --> 01:03:47,826 nobody wants to hire somebody who can afford not to write. 1402 01:03:47,868 --> 01:03:49,035 I think it's terrible. 1403 01:03:49,077 --> 01:03:50,370 It's prejudice against blacks. 1404 01:03:50,412 --> 01:03:51,621 It's prejudice against gays. 1405 01:03:51,663 --> 01:03:53,165 It's prejudice against rich. 1406 01:03:53,206 --> 01:03:54,642 - It's prejudice against trust funds. 1407 01:03:54,666 --> 01:03:56,102 - Yeah, trust funds, I mean, I think that's terrible. 1408 01:03:56,126 --> 01:03:57,586 - Yeah, all prejudice is wrong. 1409 01:03:57,627 --> 01:03:59,379 - I'm for freedom. 1410 01:03:59,421 --> 01:04:01,798 - You're the victim of a hate crime. 1411 01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:03,109 - They should make it a hate crime. 1412 01:04:03,133 --> 01:04:05,260 - What I'm trying to do here is talk you 1413 01:04:05,302 --> 01:04:08,430 into being part of a legacy of a great work of art, 1414 01:04:08,472 --> 01:04:09,931 'cause you're an art collector. 1415 01:04:09,973 --> 01:04:13,477 This is, this film is going to be a work of art, 1416 01:04:13,518 --> 01:04:16,146 and I need you to come in as, 1417 01:04:16,188 --> 01:04:18,440 were you ready to put up 15 million? 1418 01:04:18,482 --> 01:04:19,482 - What? 1419 01:04:21,276 --> 01:04:24,404 - It was the right place to go, in the Riviera. 1420 01:04:24,446 --> 01:04:26,406 Somerset Maugham had described it, 1421 01:04:26,448 --> 01:04:28,658 sunny place for shady people. 1422 01:04:28,700 --> 01:04:31,286 But in the summer we all came here because 1423 01:04:31,328 --> 01:04:34,581 they went to the casinos, and there was dancing. 1424 01:04:34,623 --> 01:04:36,208 At, Sidney Bechet was playing 1425 01:04:36,249 --> 01:04:37,834 the clarinet in. 1426 01:04:38,668 --> 01:04:40,128 He was very glamorous. 1427 01:04:40,170 --> 01:04:43,340 And Monte Carlo didn't look like Las Vegas on the sea. 1428 01:04:43,381 --> 01:04:45,967 It was sort of the magical place 1429 01:04:46,009 --> 01:04:48,136 which Fitzgerald had described. 1430 01:04:48,178 --> 01:04:52,015 And the Murphys had invented actually in the '20s, 1431 01:04:53,058 --> 01:04:55,018 Picasso, Hemingway, Fitzgerald. 1432 01:04:56,394 --> 01:04:58,522 Picasso came here, and de Stael and all of them, 1433 01:04:58,563 --> 01:05:01,191 because of the light. 1434 01:05:01,233 --> 01:05:04,402 And now, of course, all these people 1435 01:05:04,444 --> 01:05:07,739 who are anchored around us, they all should be in jail, 1436 01:05:07,781 --> 01:05:10,742 but they're all Russian oligarch crooks. 1437 01:05:11,952 --> 01:05:13,537 - Why did you think he was a good shot? 1438 01:05:13,578 --> 01:05:15,705 - You know, he's a risk taker. 1439 01:05:15,747 --> 01:05:16,540 I don't know, but maybe. 1440 01:05:16,581 --> 01:05:17,582 - Are you a risk taker? 1441 01:05:17,624 --> 01:05:18,624 - Not in the movies. 1442 01:05:19,793 --> 01:05:21,562 - Well, I hate to say, but I was a good friend 1443 01:05:21,586 --> 01:05:24,548 of President Nixon's and he liked me and he wrote to me 1444 01:05:24,589 --> 01:05:27,592 when I was in prison and he wrote me 1445 01:05:27,634 --> 01:05:30,679 a very nice letter, and the screw came in. 1446 01:05:32,139 --> 01:05:34,599 I was just doing four months for cocaine possession. 1447 01:05:34,641 --> 01:05:35,976 And a screw came in, he said, 1448 01:05:36,017 --> 01:05:38,311 censors wanna know if this is true or not, 1449 01:05:38,353 --> 01:05:40,313 it was a letter from President Nixon. 1450 01:05:40,355 --> 01:05:45,360 I sold the envelope for some food to one of the screws. 1451 01:05:46,319 --> 01:05:47,654 - Wow. - And I told him that 1452 01:05:47,696 --> 01:05:49,340 afterwards and he thought it was very funny. 1453 01:05:49,364 --> 01:05:51,616 - Where were you incarcerated? - In Pentonville. 1454 01:05:51,658 --> 01:05:54,619 - If Johnny's not gonna, obviously not gonna invest, 1455 01:05:54,661 --> 01:05:57,080 there's a guy over there, Arki Busson. 1456 01:05:57,122 --> 01:05:58,474 - He's big. - Very big, successful. 1457 01:05:58,498 --> 01:05:59,457 And he's in the movie business. 1458 01:05:59,499 --> 01:06:00,834 He loves the movie business. 1459 01:06:00,876 --> 01:06:02,711 - What did he do? - He financed 1460 01:06:02,752 --> 01:06:05,172 Walters Salas's new film that's in competition here now. 1461 01:06:05,213 --> 01:06:06,673 - "On the Road?" - Yeah. 1462 01:06:06,715 --> 01:06:09,843 - I'm proposing that you take a serious step up 1463 01:06:09,885 --> 01:06:13,346 if we do this next movie and maybe be the sole investor. 1464 01:06:13,388 --> 01:06:16,725 You are young, and vigorous, and healthy, 1465 01:06:16,766 --> 01:06:20,353 but even if you live another 20, 25 years, 1466 01:06:20,395 --> 01:06:21,855 you're in your last lap. 1467 01:06:21,897 --> 01:06:23,190 - Yes. - I am, too. 1468 01:06:23,231 --> 01:06:24,375 - Definite, no, no you're not. 1469 01:06:24,399 --> 01:06:25,358 - So you can afford to make... 1470 01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:26,818 - We have a phrase we're using, 1471 01:06:26,860 --> 01:06:28,236 which is you're in the second 1472 01:06:28,278 --> 01:06:30,906 to the last reel of the movie. - Right, yeah. 1473 01:06:30,947 --> 01:06:34,367 200 years after you're dead, quite seriously, 1474 01:06:34,409 --> 01:06:37,913 the reason people will know you are here and care 1475 01:06:37,954 --> 01:06:40,165 is that your name will be on the screen 1476 01:06:40,207 --> 01:06:43,084 as the producer of my next film. 1477 01:06:43,126 --> 01:06:46,546 Next time it's a Taki Theodoracopulos production. 1478 01:06:46,588 --> 01:06:51,176 You put up the 10, $15 million necessary, maybe even less. 1479 01:06:51,218 --> 01:06:52,528 - Please bring me some cigarettes quick 1480 01:06:52,552 --> 01:06:55,263 - Who has more money, you or Johnny? 1481 01:06:55,305 --> 01:06:57,098 - Johnny by far. - By far. 1482 01:06:57,140 --> 01:07:00,477 I wanted to set the stage for a future lunch 1483 01:07:00,519 --> 01:07:03,605 in which the investment is made on the spot. 1484 01:07:03,647 --> 01:07:05,166 - The investment will be made on the spot 1485 01:07:05,190 --> 01:07:07,651 but depends who you will bring at the table. 1486 01:07:07,692 --> 01:07:08,610 - Alex Baldwin? - And seriously, 1487 01:07:08,652 --> 01:07:10,237 so Alec, yeah. - Alec Baldwin. 1488 01:07:10,278 --> 01:07:12,405 - Yes. - In Last Tango? 1489 01:07:12,447 --> 01:07:14,342 - Well, in our version. - He can't do that remake, 1490 01:07:14,366 --> 01:07:16,159 he's a TV actor. 1491 01:07:26,670 --> 01:07:28,463 - So what's the one thing you'd like to do 1492 01:07:28,505 --> 01:07:31,508 that you can't do or the one place you'd like to go 1493 01:07:31,550 --> 01:07:33,343 that you can't go? 1494 01:07:33,385 --> 01:07:35,512 - I'm still figuring out all the things 1495 01:07:35,554 --> 01:07:37,973 that I wanna do that I can do. 1496 01:07:38,014 --> 01:07:40,034 So that's tough to figure out. - You can do a lot of things. 1497 01:07:40,058 --> 01:07:44,521 - But I've always wanted to go to space and I guess if you 1498 01:07:44,563 --> 01:07:47,399 would say the one thing that I really want to do 1499 01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:48,668 that I can say that I can't do, 1500 01:07:48,692 --> 01:07:50,527 but that I would really want to do, 1501 01:07:50,569 --> 01:07:52,821 one would be to cure cancer, 1502 01:07:52,863 --> 01:07:55,240 so that nobody would ever have to suffer from it. 1503 01:07:55,282 --> 01:07:57,701 The other thing would be to have peace in the world. 1504 01:07:57,742 --> 01:08:02,747 - You know, Alec and I are planning a film next year. 1505 01:08:03,957 --> 01:08:05,959 Would it interest you independently 1506 01:08:06,001 --> 01:08:08,712 to think of investing in our movie? 1507 01:08:08,753 --> 01:08:10,922 - I don't really get involved in anything 1508 01:08:10,964 --> 01:08:13,341 that I'm not really totally involved with. 1509 01:08:21,141 --> 01:08:22,809 - Ben Schneider. - Hey, how are you? 1510 01:08:22,851 --> 01:08:24,644 Nice to meet you. - Great to meet you 1511 01:08:24,686 --> 01:08:26,521 I'm actually the son of Neil Schneider, 1512 01:08:26,563 --> 01:08:27,981 who's a big financier on the film. 1513 01:08:28,023 --> 01:08:32,277 - Ah, I've been hearing about you and about your dad. 1514 01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:36,990 He's the silent investor. 1515 01:08:37,032 --> 01:08:41,286 The other guys were there with some fanfare. 1516 01:08:41,328 --> 01:08:43,121 What are you up to in life? 1517 01:08:43,163 --> 01:08:45,624 - Well, currently I moved out to LA about a year ago. 1518 01:08:45,665 --> 01:08:46,851 I've been part of a sketch comedy group 1519 01:08:46,875 --> 01:08:48,502 for the past six, seven months. 1520 01:08:48,543 --> 01:08:50,629 - Ah, I'm gonna grab a shrimp here. 1521 01:08:50,670 --> 01:08:51,796 - Oh yeah, go for it. 1522 01:08:51,838 --> 01:08:52,964 - Where are you living? 1523 01:08:53,006 --> 01:08:54,841 - Currently, I'm living in West Hollywood, 1524 01:08:54,883 --> 01:08:57,511 just down the street from the Viper Room. 1525 01:08:57,552 --> 01:08:58,762 - And you want to be an actor? 1526 01:08:58,804 --> 01:09:00,514 - Absolutely, oh, without a doubt. 1527 01:09:00,555 --> 01:09:02,516 - How old were you when you moved to California? 1528 01:09:02,557 --> 01:09:03,725 - 16. 1529 01:09:03,767 --> 01:09:05,560 - Where'd you stay? - West Hollywood. 1530 01:09:06,895 --> 01:09:08,897 - I could write an interesting role for you. 1531 01:09:08,939 --> 01:09:11,191 Maybe we should try to seduce your father 1532 01:09:11,233 --> 01:09:12,484 into being a partner. 1533 01:09:12,526 --> 01:09:14,236 I'm trying to put some money together here. 1534 01:09:14,277 --> 01:09:16,238 - Was where you are now, was that a goal? 1535 01:09:16,279 --> 01:09:17,489 Did you have a sense of that? 1536 01:09:17,531 --> 01:09:19,008 - But that's the best part about Los Angeles. 1537 01:09:19,032 --> 01:09:22,369 It's filled with all these Don Quixote-type characters. 1538 01:09:22,410 --> 01:09:25,247 People who have come from, everyone's left their families, 1539 01:09:25,288 --> 01:09:28,458 their homes, their friends, their jobs 1540 01:09:28,500 --> 01:09:31,503 to pursue a dream where they know that the percentage 1541 01:09:31,545 --> 01:09:35,924 of them achieving that dream is never and they do it anyway. 1542 01:09:35,966 --> 01:09:38,760 And everyone has shared the same dream and no one's sure 1543 01:09:38,802 --> 01:09:42,389 if it was a premonition or a delusion. 1544 01:09:42,430 --> 01:09:44,933 And there's only one way to find out. 1545 01:09:44,975 --> 01:09:46,393 - Ben Schneider. 1546 01:09:46,434 --> 01:09:48,562 - Ben is the son. - I know. 1547 01:09:48,603 --> 01:09:50,939 - Yeah, and he's a budding actor. 1548 01:09:50,981 --> 01:09:52,959 And I said he's a handsome... - You wanna be an actor? 1549 01:09:52,983 --> 01:09:54,484 - Yes, I've been acting since I... 1550 01:09:54,526 --> 01:09:55,526 - Why? - Why? 1551 01:09:57,612 --> 01:10:00,240 - You know you're lucky to get an audition, then you get it, 1552 01:10:00,282 --> 01:10:02,284 you get there, you walk into a room full of guys 1553 01:10:02,325 --> 01:10:03,660 that look just like you. 1554 01:10:03,702 --> 01:10:04,762 You realize you're not the only one 1555 01:10:04,786 --> 01:10:06,288 that wore the cowboy hat. 1556 01:10:06,329 --> 01:10:08,015 Then you can hear the other guy in the other room 1557 01:10:08,039 --> 01:10:10,667 auditioning and now you're thinking about not doing it 1558 01:10:10,709 --> 01:10:12,252 like him as opposed to doing it the way 1559 01:10:12,294 --> 01:10:14,045 that you wanted to do it. 1560 01:10:14,087 --> 01:10:15,422 Then before you go in, 1561 01:10:15,463 --> 01:10:16,732 you hear the casting director negotiating the deal 1562 01:10:16,756 --> 01:10:18,341 for the guy that already got the part. 1563 01:10:18,383 --> 01:10:20,135 Turns out Jared Leto already got it. 1564 01:10:21,386 --> 01:10:22,864 Then you go in, you think you're doing an, 1565 01:10:22,888 --> 01:10:25,515 you just think I'll do it as an acting exercise. 1566 01:10:25,557 --> 01:10:27,225 I know I'm not gonna get it, 1567 01:10:27,267 --> 01:10:29,394 I'll just stick it as an experience. 1568 01:10:29,436 --> 01:10:31,080 And then you get to the scene where you're supposed to cry 1569 01:10:31,104 --> 01:10:34,065 over your friend and you get the tears going, 1570 01:10:34,107 --> 01:10:36,318 and you're emotional, and then she gets a call 1571 01:10:36,359 --> 01:10:37,819 and asks you to leave the room. 1572 01:10:37,861 --> 01:10:40,006 You're trying to keep the tears up, but it's 10 minutes 1573 01:10:40,030 --> 01:10:41,507 'cause you're waiting out there and you're trying 1574 01:10:41,531 --> 01:10:43,259 to keep in the zone and you lose it, and you come back 1575 01:10:43,283 --> 01:10:45,744 and you want to pick it up, you wanna start again, 1576 01:10:45,785 --> 01:10:47,746 but she makes you pick it up where you left off. 1577 01:10:47,787 --> 01:10:50,373 You go to your car, you got a parking ticket 1578 01:10:50,415 --> 01:10:52,751 because the street cleaning sign has been covered 1579 01:10:52,792 --> 01:10:54,544 by the auditions this way sign. 1580 01:10:56,046 --> 01:10:58,798 Then you get in your car, you change, you muster up 1581 01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:00,300 the guts to go back to 1582 01:11:00,342 --> 01:11:02,427 until you go to another one, and you wait in traffic 1583 01:11:02,469 --> 01:11:04,596 for two hours and you go through it again. 1584 01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:07,933 I think we had a nice connection, 1585 01:11:07,974 --> 01:11:09,643 the three of us, don't you? 1586 01:11:09,684 --> 01:11:12,979 I bet if I write an ambitious original role for him, 1587 01:11:13,021 --> 01:11:14,815 he'll jump on board right away 1588 01:11:14,856 --> 01:11:16,775 and the money will click in immediately. 1589 01:11:16,817 --> 01:11:18,252 'Cause the one thing we're seeing here 1590 01:11:18,276 --> 01:11:21,112 is that money follows stars, right. 1591 01:11:21,154 --> 01:11:24,407 Jessica Chastain could be the woman and Neve can be the wife 1592 01:11:24,449 --> 01:11:27,828 you divorced or who divorced you before you left. 1593 01:11:32,874 --> 01:11:34,417 - Cover sales and magazines are 1594 01:11:34,459 --> 01:11:35,961 a very dodgy thing right now. 1595 01:11:36,002 --> 01:11:40,465 And so we had to retreat and we talked about we could put 1596 01:11:40,507 --> 01:11:43,260 on the cover and how we would change the way 1597 01:11:43,301 --> 01:11:46,847 we do our covers and the number-one person by a long shot. 1598 01:11:46,888 --> 01:11:50,183 But with men and women in this culture, 1599 01:11:50,225 --> 01:11:51,702 it's harder and harder to find somebody 1600 01:11:51,726 --> 01:11:54,521 who's both well known enough to move the freight 1601 01:11:54,563 --> 01:11:58,191 around the world and who will reflect well on the magazine 1602 01:11:58,233 --> 01:12:00,861 but it'll be something that people wanna read about. 1603 01:12:03,196 --> 01:12:05,740 - Vanity Fair is not a movie magazine, per se, 1604 01:12:05,782 --> 01:12:08,535 but it's become the movie magazine. 1605 01:12:08,577 --> 01:12:10,036 Was that an intention of yours? 1606 01:12:10,078 --> 01:12:13,039 - No, I think that the one thing that people in the east 1607 01:12:13,081 --> 01:12:16,710 may have is a fascination with the, quote unquote, romance 1608 01:12:16,751 --> 01:12:18,795 of Hollywood, specifically old Hollywood. 1609 01:12:18,837 --> 01:12:20,463 And maybe we see it in a different, 1610 01:12:20,505 --> 01:12:22,757 through a different prism than somebody 1611 01:12:22,799 --> 01:12:24,092 who actually lives there. 1612 01:12:24,134 --> 01:12:25,886 I mean, most of Hollywood, it looks like a, 1613 01:12:25,927 --> 01:12:28,430 you go to a Hollywood party, it looks like a casting call 1614 01:12:28,472 --> 01:12:30,765 for "Jersey Shore," I mean. 1615 01:12:31,766 --> 01:12:32,934 - You mean now? 1616 01:12:32,976 --> 01:12:33,894 - Now, yeah. 1617 01:12:33,935 --> 01:12:35,312 I mean, look, this weekend, 1618 01:12:35,353 --> 01:12:37,814 I mean the movies have degenerated to the point 1619 01:12:37,856 --> 01:12:41,401 where you had a comic book movie going up 1620 01:12:41,443 --> 01:12:42,819 against a board game movie. 1621 01:12:45,530 --> 01:12:48,408 So many people with so much money. 1622 01:12:48,450 --> 01:12:50,202 You know what might be a good idea? 1623 01:12:51,328 --> 01:12:52,454 Theft. 1624 01:12:52,496 --> 01:12:53,663 Just kidding. 1625 01:12:53,705 --> 01:12:56,124 Although, you know, maybe not. 1626 01:12:56,166 --> 01:12:59,294 The problem is it's so crowded, so many witnesses. 1627 01:13:00,795 --> 01:13:03,024 The touching thing is that they're gliding around oblivious 1628 01:13:03,048 --> 01:13:06,301 to the one undeniable certainty that unites them. 1629 01:13:06,343 --> 01:13:08,512 That they're all gonna be dead. 1630 01:13:08,553 --> 01:13:10,680 What good is their money gonna do them then? 1631 01:13:10,722 --> 01:13:13,308 They might as well have financed us. 1632 01:13:13,350 --> 01:13:16,561 At least they'd have their name on a great work of art. 1633 01:13:16,603 --> 01:13:19,022 I gotta be careful or I'm gonna go nuts. 1634 01:13:28,865 --> 01:13:30,325 - I was actually quoted recently 1635 01:13:30,367 --> 01:13:32,619 and it was a bit of a misquote, 'cause I said, 1636 01:13:34,079 --> 01:13:35,556 we make a lot of shitty movies, I did not say that. 1637 01:13:35,580 --> 01:13:37,040 I said, as an industry, 1638 01:13:37,082 --> 01:13:39,018 we make some shitty movies and we make some great movies. 1639 01:13:39,042 --> 01:13:42,170 The real problem in this business, if you make a great film, 1640 01:13:42,212 --> 01:13:43,421 if you really get down to it, 1641 01:13:43,463 --> 01:13:45,191 you make a great film that no one goes to see 1642 01:13:45,215 --> 01:13:48,218 versus a bad film that everyone has gone to see. 1643 01:13:48,260 --> 01:13:50,262 The way you keep your job is you make that bad film 1644 01:13:50,303 --> 01:13:51,721 that everyone went to see. 1645 01:13:51,763 --> 01:13:54,099 You don't get points for the good film 1646 01:13:54,141 --> 01:13:55,433 that no one went to see. 1647 01:13:55,475 --> 01:13:57,477 - It's not the distributors who say, oh, 1648 01:13:57,519 --> 01:14:00,605 we're not gonna put your your film out 1649 01:14:00,647 --> 01:14:02,816 because the truth is no one will come in 1650 01:14:02,858 --> 01:14:06,236 the numbers sufficient to justify the making of the film. 1651 01:14:06,278 --> 01:14:08,655 - Very important to me what marketing thinks 1652 01:14:08,697 --> 01:14:10,657 and what they believe can be accomplished 1653 01:14:10,699 --> 01:14:12,409 in the campaign for that movie. 1654 01:14:12,450 --> 01:14:15,203 - The marketability of a movie has somehow or another 1655 01:14:15,245 --> 01:14:18,456 become more important than the story. 1656 01:14:18,498 --> 01:14:21,501 - Very important what international distribution 1657 01:14:21,543 --> 01:14:24,171 and home video thinks about this movie. 1658 01:14:24,212 --> 01:14:28,592 - And that's driven so many of the decisions today. 1659 01:14:28,633 --> 01:14:32,053 - Very important what domestic home video 1660 01:14:32,095 --> 01:14:33,513 thinks about this movie. 1661 01:14:33,555 --> 01:14:38,185 - How do you think that affects the quality of movies? 1662 01:14:38,226 --> 01:14:39,686 Because the way I see it, 1663 01:14:39,728 --> 01:14:42,564 one person making the final decision affords a chance 1664 01:14:42,606 --> 01:14:45,192 at boldness and originality, 1665 01:14:45,233 --> 01:14:49,488 a committee decision guarantees timidity and convention, 1666 01:14:49,529 --> 01:14:53,074 which is why people with fresh ideas need to run around 1667 01:14:53,116 --> 01:14:55,744 chasing money outside the system all the time. 1668 01:14:55,785 --> 01:14:58,205 - What it does to you as a filmmaker, 1669 01:14:58,246 --> 01:15:00,916 what it does to the sort of agent community, 1670 01:15:00,957 --> 01:15:04,252 it stops their ability, when I was a an agent, 1671 01:15:04,294 --> 01:15:06,254 I could go in to see Tom Pollock, 1672 01:15:06,296 --> 01:15:09,716 and I could convince Tom Pollock or Casey Silver 1673 01:15:09,758 --> 01:15:14,721 to say yes to a movie based on my enthusiasm, 1674 01:15:15,931 --> 01:15:17,074 my saying I'm gonna take this to the studio 1675 01:15:17,098 --> 01:15:18,725 if you don't say yes to me right now, 1676 01:15:18,767 --> 01:15:20,620 I could do it at that moment, I could get people. 1677 01:15:20,644 --> 01:15:23,438 And those, by the way, not just them, any studio. 1678 01:15:23,480 --> 01:15:25,124 I don't believe you could do that at any studio today. 1679 01:15:25,148 --> 01:15:26,292 I certainly couldn't do it at Universal, 1680 01:15:26,316 --> 01:15:27,460 but you couldn't do it at any studio. 1681 01:15:27,484 --> 01:15:29,986 - But why, why? - If I love something 1682 01:15:30,028 --> 01:15:32,489 and everyone else hates it, we don't make it. 1683 01:15:32,531 --> 01:15:35,492 - I mean, all the movies that won the Academy Award for us, 1684 01:15:35,534 --> 01:15:38,370 and I use the word us, so it's never really about me, 1685 01:15:39,538 --> 01:15:41,164 were pictures that nobody else wanted, 1686 01:15:41,206 --> 01:15:43,959 whether it was "Cuckoo's Nest" or "Dances with Wolves." 1687 01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:45,669 - There was a wide margin at the time 1688 01:15:45,710 --> 01:15:48,046 where pictures could get made like a 'Taxi Driver" 1689 01:15:48,088 --> 01:15:50,382 and ultimately a "Raging Bull" to a certain extent. 1690 01:15:50,423 --> 01:15:52,592 And also UA at the time was fantastic. 1691 01:15:52,634 --> 01:15:55,095 - And we weren't forced into doing those movies. 1692 01:15:55,137 --> 01:15:57,013 We knew we wanted to do them. 1693 01:15:57,055 --> 01:15:59,808 - All of that group at UA were very, very supportive 1694 01:15:59,850 --> 01:16:01,726 of making the kinds of pictures we thought 1695 01:16:01,768 --> 01:16:03,687 were gonna be the the norm. 1696 01:16:03,728 --> 01:16:06,022 - I mean, when we did "Apocalypse" and "Raging Bull" 1697 01:16:06,064 --> 01:16:08,191 and all those things, it was a different era. 1698 01:16:08,233 --> 01:16:13,238 There was a time when you did one or two big movies 1699 01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:15,574 which anchored your program of movies. 1700 01:16:15,615 --> 01:16:19,202 Now they make five of them, and so what's left? 1701 01:16:19,244 --> 01:16:24,166 - But I've been able somehow to navigate 1702 01:16:25,584 --> 01:16:27,794 that very, very thin margin now of doing pictures 1703 01:16:27,836 --> 01:16:32,424 that I think I could put myself into for two years 1704 01:16:32,465 --> 01:16:37,387 and devote that time and get the backing for it. 1705 01:16:37,429 --> 01:16:39,931 The thing to tell very often is that I could probably get 1706 01:16:39,973 --> 01:16:41,409 the backing now for a number of pictures, 1707 01:16:41,433 --> 01:16:42,976 but it has to be their pictures. 1708 01:16:44,144 --> 01:16:45,329 - We were always trying to make films, 1709 01:16:45,353 --> 01:16:46,956 we make a lot of money so we could be rich 1710 01:16:46,980 --> 01:16:49,274 and then finance our own little art films. 1711 01:16:49,316 --> 01:16:51,943 That was always the model that we were trying. 1712 01:16:51,985 --> 01:16:55,530 - How can I just, I was telling myself, survive 1713 01:16:57,115 --> 01:16:58,783 in that milieu? 1714 01:16:58,825 --> 01:17:00,327 How can I do that? 1715 01:17:00,368 --> 01:17:02,430 And has that margin that we talked about in the beginning 1716 01:17:02,454 --> 01:17:03,955 gotten even thinner? 1717 01:17:03,997 --> 01:17:07,584 And by doing that, when you do that and there's that much 1718 01:17:07,626 --> 01:17:09,002 involved in selling a picture, 1719 01:17:09,044 --> 01:17:11,505 you have to be very careful or you have to fight 1720 01:17:11,546 --> 01:17:15,008 very, very, very hard to do what you want, 1721 01:17:15,050 --> 01:17:17,177 to do what you think is right for the picture. 1722 01:17:17,219 --> 01:17:19,179 And that means you battle everyone. 1723 01:17:19,221 --> 01:17:22,849 And very often the battling is very, very civilized, 1724 01:17:22,891 --> 01:17:24,851 which is even harder sometimes, 1725 01:17:24,893 --> 01:17:28,563 because it always comes down to the money. 1726 01:17:35,278 --> 01:17:36,506 - They're never gonna give you the money with me 1727 01:17:36,530 --> 01:17:38,740 in the movie, you, me, and Neve, 1728 01:17:38,782 --> 01:17:41,076 what we've learned is that ain't gonna happen. 1729 01:17:41,117 --> 01:17:44,621 I mean, they'll give us $4 and 50 cents to make that movie. 1730 01:17:48,041 --> 01:17:50,377 Those people who really excel at this business, 1731 01:17:50,418 --> 01:17:54,589 and whether they're the creative forces, behind the camera 1732 01:17:54,631 --> 01:17:56,511 or on camera, and even in the business community 1733 01:17:56,550 --> 01:17:59,094 even more importantly, how they thrive, 1734 01:17:59,136 --> 01:18:01,263 could they have achieved this level of zen 1735 01:18:01,304 --> 01:18:04,933 where they move beyond all information is good information, 1736 01:18:04,975 --> 01:18:06,285 whatever you give me, I'm gonna deal, 1737 01:18:06,309 --> 01:18:08,270 I'm gonna judo what you do in order for me 1738 01:18:08,311 --> 01:18:10,647 to move forward with my course and my path. 1739 01:18:10,689 --> 01:18:12,649 When I was around in the old days, 1740 01:18:12,691 --> 01:18:15,569 there were some people at the top who supported me. 1741 01:18:16,528 --> 01:18:18,572 - John Calley. - John Calley, 1742 01:18:18,613 --> 01:18:20,073 a number of people. 1743 01:18:20,115 --> 01:18:24,286 I don't feel that those in power, not that they're bad, 1744 01:18:24,327 --> 01:18:27,164 it's they come from a different time and place. 1745 01:18:27,205 --> 01:18:28,415 Absolutely. 1746 01:18:28,456 --> 01:18:30,333 How have those guys changed? 1747 01:18:30,375 --> 01:18:32,210 - They're not, they don't exist. 1748 01:18:32,252 --> 01:18:34,838 - It's like what Scorsese said. 1749 01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:37,257 We have to learn to make movies around these people. 1750 01:18:37,299 --> 01:18:39,509 - You see what's gonna happen now, though, 1751 01:18:39,551 --> 01:18:40,778 is that we gotta get past them. 1752 01:18:40,802 --> 01:18:42,196 I mean, maybe not me, I'm too old for it. 1753 01:18:42,220 --> 01:18:44,681 I've got my own thing, I'm lucky to get a picture 1754 01:18:44,723 --> 01:18:45,849 made one more time, I mean, 1755 01:18:45,891 --> 01:18:47,642 to live and keep going for a little while 1756 01:18:47,684 --> 01:18:49,144 and see what I can do. 1757 01:18:49,186 --> 01:18:51,038 Now you, there's gotta be a way to make pictures. 1758 01:18:51,062 --> 01:18:54,191 You did it and you continue to do it. 1759 01:18:54,232 --> 01:18:56,485 - Find individuals, new individuals. 1760 01:18:56,526 --> 01:18:58,904 - New individuals, but also new technology. 1761 01:18:58,945 --> 01:19:01,823 - Cinema is bigger than all of this other stuff. 1762 01:19:01,865 --> 01:19:06,786 Cinema truly is an art form given to us by the gods. 1763 01:19:07,954 --> 01:19:10,749 I've seen grown-up men, people like, well, 1764 01:19:10,790 --> 01:19:13,835 Marty, or my friend George, I mean, 1765 01:19:13,877 --> 01:19:16,671 just take two pieces of film and put them together 1766 01:19:16,713 --> 01:19:18,882 differently than they were and see that it means 1767 01:19:18,924 --> 01:19:21,009 something else and just jump up and down, 1768 01:19:21,051 --> 01:19:24,262 enjoy with the magic of it. 1769 01:19:24,304 --> 01:19:27,390 So as long as it's that, you follow that, 1770 01:19:27,432 --> 01:19:29,267 the other stuff isn't important. 1771 01:19:29,309 --> 01:19:33,271 - You find there are things in the way and to stay angry 1772 01:19:33,313 --> 01:19:35,315 in a good way, which is to, what is this, 1773 01:19:35,357 --> 01:19:37,335 this is getting in the way, get rid of it, get rid of this, 1774 01:19:37,359 --> 01:19:38,586 get rid of that, get rid of this. 1775 01:19:38,610 --> 01:19:40,821 You have to stay true to that impulse 1776 01:19:40,862 --> 01:19:43,490 'cause there's nothing else, especially as you get older. 1777 01:19:43,532 --> 01:19:46,076 - What's filmmaking like for you now? 1778 01:19:46,117 --> 01:19:51,164 - Well, I would say it's easier and easier to make it. 1779 01:19:53,166 --> 01:19:55,168 What's always difficult is to get 1780 01:19:55,210 --> 01:19:59,089 the financing going for everybody else. 1781 01:19:59,130 --> 01:20:01,550 - I'm looking forward next to get to 1782 01:20:01,591 --> 01:20:03,260 different kinds of equipment again. 1783 01:20:03,301 --> 01:20:05,470 To move away the equipment, to move freer. 1784 01:20:05,512 --> 01:20:09,182 - Once I'm on the set, once I start working 1785 01:20:09,224 --> 01:20:12,811 on the preparation, on the editing, it flows. 1786 01:20:12,853 --> 01:20:15,355 And I try to simplify, 1787 01:20:15,397 --> 01:20:20,402 I don't have to look for some kind of astonishing effect. 1788 01:20:21,862 --> 01:20:23,339 - Cinema now, luckily I think, there are no more, 1789 01:20:23,363 --> 01:20:24,590 I don't think there are any more categories 1790 01:20:24,614 --> 01:20:25,758 like a documentary, non-fiction. 1791 01:20:25,782 --> 01:20:27,242 It doesn't matter. 1792 01:20:27,284 --> 01:20:30,662 The idea of the shot, the solid shot with a Bertolucci 1793 01:20:30,704 --> 01:20:35,250 or a Kubrick, or any great cinema master is gone. 1794 01:20:38,170 --> 01:20:40,130 - Gone, yeah. - It's been shattered. 1795 01:20:40,172 --> 01:20:42,507 Shattered, the shot means nothing anymore. 1796 01:20:42,549 --> 01:20:44,092 You caught onto this quickly. 1797 01:20:44,134 --> 01:20:45,445 You understood it 'cause you started doing it 1798 01:20:45,469 --> 01:20:48,138 with the video you went to, you caught onto it. 1799 01:20:48,180 --> 01:20:49,598 - In black and white. 1800 01:20:49,639 --> 01:20:51,117 - It's a kind of a thing where you never stop learning 1801 01:20:51,141 --> 01:20:53,810 because you physically change, things happen. 1802 01:20:57,981 --> 01:20:59,941 But it's there's such a difference 1803 01:20:59,983 --> 01:21:02,402 when it's a great experience when you would, 1804 01:21:02,444 --> 01:21:03,838 - Is that what you're still chasing? 1805 01:21:03,862 --> 01:21:05,462 - A good script, you have to do shit now. 1806 01:21:05,489 --> 01:21:06,907 I mean, not shit, excuse me. 1807 01:21:06,948 --> 01:21:08,742 You know, I get down on myself, I go, 1808 01:21:08,783 --> 01:21:12,204 Jesus Christ, you know, I've never cheated anybody, 1809 01:21:13,747 --> 01:21:15,558 And I start going through all this, oh, woe is me shit. 1810 01:21:15,582 --> 01:21:19,294 And what am I walking around like a beggar here? 1811 01:21:20,504 --> 01:21:22,005 Why isn't anybody calling me? 1812 01:21:22,047 --> 01:21:23,465 I mean, you go through all that. 1813 01:21:23,507 --> 01:21:25,842 I mean, the bottom line now is that 1814 01:21:25,884 --> 01:21:27,344 I'm happiest when I'm working, 1815 01:21:28,553 --> 01:21:30,031 And especially if it's not something that 1816 01:21:30,055 --> 01:21:33,683 I can walk through, you know, something, I like to work. 1817 01:21:33,725 --> 01:21:36,978 So obviously you have struggled your health lately, 1818 01:21:37,020 --> 01:21:38,748 as you say, you didn't make a movie for 10 years. 1819 01:21:38,772 --> 01:21:40,541 Was it part of it because of your back problem? 1820 01:21:40,565 --> 01:21:41,525 - Yeah. - Or was it all of it? 1821 01:21:41,566 --> 01:21:43,985 - It sounds a bit stupid. 1822 01:21:44,027 --> 01:21:49,032 I mean, I was obsessed by recouping my back, 1823 01:21:49,783 --> 01:21:51,868 which was strange. 1824 01:21:51,910 --> 01:21:56,748 So I had three operations I wanted to have and here I am. 1825 01:21:56,790 --> 01:22:00,085 Every operation was worse and more pain 1826 01:22:01,419 --> 01:22:03,672 But who cares, now I found out that I can do 1827 01:22:03,713 --> 01:22:05,298 a movie even on that. 1828 01:22:05,340 --> 01:22:06,883 So you're ready to go back to work? 1829 01:22:06,925 --> 01:22:08,593 - I want to find immediately another film 1830 01:22:08,635 --> 01:22:13,223 because I never felt as good for 10 years. 1831 01:22:13,265 --> 01:22:15,600 Like in the shooting this, me and you. 1832 01:22:17,144 --> 01:22:18,937 Going back to what I like to do, 1833 01:22:18,979 --> 01:22:22,149 going back to my normalities to do film. 1834 01:22:22,190 --> 01:22:25,610 - I had in mind for years and years doing a film 1835 01:22:25,652 --> 01:22:28,780 about my childhood on the German occupation. 1836 01:22:28,822 --> 01:22:33,451 And I found "The Pianist" book and I thought 1837 01:22:33,493 --> 01:22:38,498 that's quite well connected with what I remember 1838 01:22:39,624 --> 01:22:43,086 without being exactly what I know 1839 01:22:43,128 --> 01:22:47,424 because it was not the Krakow ghetto where I was, 1840 01:22:48,341 --> 01:22:51,011 it was about Warsaw ghetto. 1841 01:22:51,052 --> 01:22:53,972 And I would never make the film about Krakow ghetto. 1842 01:22:54,014 --> 01:22:56,850 - Why is that? - Too close to home. 1843 01:22:56,892 --> 01:23:01,480 Once you make a movie somewhere, you ruin it. 1844 01:23:01,521 --> 01:23:03,899 It's normal, your memory. 1845 01:23:03,940 --> 01:23:08,570 A memory, it's an important part of my life. 1846 01:23:10,197 --> 01:23:12,073 - I'm never gonna make a film as successful 1847 01:23:12,115 --> 01:23:14,409 as "The Godfather" again, that's a fluke 1848 01:23:14,451 --> 01:23:16,203 for many reasons that happened. 1849 01:23:16,244 --> 01:23:19,247 So basically I started anew from nothing. 1850 01:23:19,289 --> 01:23:21,875 "Twixt" was funny because it bit me 1851 01:23:21,917 --> 01:23:23,752 because "Twixt" was just gonna be fun. 1852 01:23:23,793 --> 01:23:26,838 But then the movie got serious on me and that's when 1853 01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:30,425 the film took its more tragic turn as it were. 1854 01:23:30,467 --> 01:23:31,802 So I didn't have an ending. 1855 01:23:33,887 --> 01:23:35,555 In the script, I kept asking, 1856 01:23:35,597 --> 01:23:36,932 what's the end, what's the end? 1857 01:23:36,973 --> 01:23:39,601 He says, do you want to really go there? 1858 01:23:39,643 --> 01:23:42,437 Because if you want to go there, you can't come back. 1859 01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:43,956 And I said, what are you talking about? 1860 01:23:43,980 --> 01:23:47,108 He says, you are the ending and you look in yourself 1861 01:23:47,150 --> 01:23:49,110 and you know what I'm talking about. 1862 01:23:49,152 --> 01:23:50,987 - Then it is time to face the truth, 1863 01:23:52,781 --> 01:23:56,535 to end this story there is no other way. 1864 01:23:58,286 --> 01:24:00,872 - I never admitted to myself 1865 01:24:04,084 --> 01:24:07,170 what that scene is that I should have gone, 1866 01:24:07,212 --> 01:24:08,463 I should have been there. 1867 01:24:08,505 --> 01:24:11,258 It was the weekend and I was working on a movie, 1868 01:24:11,299 --> 01:24:13,510 and said, let's go, we're gonna have boats. 1869 01:24:13,552 --> 01:24:14,695 I thought they were little boats. 1870 01:24:14,719 --> 01:24:16,221 I thought they were pedal boats. 1871 01:24:18,348 --> 01:24:19,391 Had I been there, 1872 01:24:23,770 --> 01:24:25,939 had I been there, I don't think it would've happened. 1873 01:24:29,901 --> 01:24:31,736 - And now you've had your drink. 1874 01:24:37,951 --> 01:24:39,953 - They shot Sonny on the causeway. 1875 01:24:41,079 --> 01:24:42,079 He's dead. 1876 01:24:49,379 --> 01:24:53,258 - An alternative to what you and I have been 1877 01:24:53,300 --> 01:24:58,221 talking about here is a movie in which the essential subject 1878 01:24:59,639 --> 01:25:01,933 is the same, the characters, the politics, the sex, 1879 01:25:01,975 --> 01:25:03,810 the background, the romance, 1880 01:25:03,852 --> 01:25:07,439 and all of the things psychologically and emotionally, 1881 01:25:07,481 --> 01:25:08,607 - Psychology. - But, 1882 01:25:09,858 --> 01:25:14,738 it is played against a far more intimately 1883 01:25:14,779 --> 01:25:16,656 scaled down background. 1884 01:25:16,698 --> 01:25:19,993 In other words, it could be that it's two people 1885 01:25:20,035 --> 01:25:23,330 who have come back from the war and who are both 1886 01:25:23,371 --> 01:25:26,917 sort of lost and they are living in whatever location 1887 01:25:26,958 --> 01:25:28,543 you want to put them in. 1888 01:25:28,585 --> 01:25:32,839 It is basically a domestic setting, it is a local setting. 1889 01:25:32,881 --> 01:25:35,842 Work within a financial framework. 1890 01:25:35,884 --> 01:25:39,012 Tell me how much money you are going to give me 1891 01:25:39,054 --> 01:25:41,515 and I will devise the film. 1892 01:25:41,556 --> 01:25:46,561 It's a considerably larger investment than the current one. 1893 01:25:48,230 --> 01:25:53,026 But would you guys be interested in jumping in 1894 01:25:53,068 --> 01:25:58,031 and becoming either part of or all of the financing 1895 01:26:00,367 --> 01:26:04,412 we seem to be pretty close to getting for this next movie? 1896 01:26:05,580 --> 01:26:07,374 I'm looking at three guys, look, 1897 01:26:07,415 --> 01:26:10,126 it's as if this is the parole board 1898 01:26:10,168 --> 01:26:12,087 and they've been told that I, 1899 01:26:12,128 --> 01:26:13,755 - And you're Sirhan Sirhan. 1900 01:26:13,797 --> 01:26:15,215 That's right, exactly. 1901 01:26:15,257 --> 01:26:16,007 - And you're never getting out. 1902 01:26:16,049 --> 01:26:16,925 - That's right. 1903 01:26:16,967 --> 01:26:19,886 For all I know, you would be 1904 01:26:19,928 --> 01:26:23,265 deeply damaged by a loss of money in that area 1905 01:26:23,306 --> 01:26:25,267 or it might not even be noticeable. 1906 01:26:25,308 --> 01:26:26,768 It's not for me to say. 1907 01:26:26,810 --> 01:26:30,313 Money is the one thing people lie about, people conceal, 1908 01:26:30,355 --> 01:26:31,815 everything else is open. 1909 01:26:31,857 --> 01:26:34,442 They'll talk about their gallbladder, their affairs, 1910 01:26:34,484 --> 01:26:37,487 the crimes they committed, the drugs they've taken, 1911 01:26:37,529 --> 01:26:41,324 the times they passed out from alcoholic poisoning. 1912 01:26:41,366 --> 01:26:43,743 - Originally, we were gonna do it in Iraq. 1913 01:26:43,785 --> 01:26:46,997 And finally Jimmy has this brainstorm, he says, 1914 01:26:47,038 --> 01:26:48,248 we don't need to go to Tikrit. 1915 01:26:48,290 --> 01:26:49,892 He goes, let's have them come back from Iraq. 1916 01:26:49,916 --> 01:26:51,185 And they're completely shell shocked 1917 01:26:51,209 --> 01:26:52,752 and ravaged by the experience. 1918 01:26:52,794 --> 01:26:54,212 We wanna make that film. 1919 01:26:54,254 --> 01:26:55,398 Jimmy's gonna write this film. 1920 01:26:55,422 --> 01:26:57,048 - Are you gonna finance that? 1921 01:26:57,090 --> 01:27:01,261 - Let's face it, this is much more sexy and emotionally, 1922 01:27:01,303 --> 01:27:02,512 sure, I want to do it. 1923 01:27:02,554 --> 01:27:04,031 - With you, it is all, - It's a lot more fun. 1924 01:27:04,055 --> 01:27:06,850 - Yeah, it is more fun. - It is more fun. 1925 01:27:06,892 --> 01:27:08,035 - There's two ways of doing it, 1926 01:27:08,059 --> 01:27:09,978 from the emotional standpoint 1927 01:27:10,020 --> 01:27:12,063 and from the risk-reward standpoint. 1928 01:27:12,105 --> 01:27:14,733 So you have to do due diligence on everything. 1929 01:27:14,774 --> 01:27:16,860 - Sounds like a good idea. I mean, 1930 01:27:16,902 --> 01:27:18,361 I think I'd have to sit down and... 1931 01:27:18,403 --> 01:27:20,155 How much will you give us to make the movie? 1932 01:27:20,197 --> 01:27:23,408 You know, you could get $25 million 1933 01:27:23,450 --> 01:27:24,576 for that movie just by... 1934 01:27:24,618 --> 01:27:25,761 - Let's square the deal right now. 1935 01:27:25,785 --> 01:27:27,204 - Oh my God. 1936 01:27:27,245 --> 01:27:28,955 - Let me write, 1937 01:27:31,416 --> 01:27:33,376 let me write the amount of money that I'm willing 1938 01:27:33,418 --> 01:27:34,669 to give it to you. - Okay. 1939 01:27:34,711 --> 01:27:36,379 - But you can't open it until afterwards. 1940 01:27:36,421 --> 01:27:37,672 - Okay. - Okay. 1941 01:27:37,714 --> 01:27:40,675 - Okay. - Yeah. 1942 01:27:47,808 --> 01:27:50,227 - How much more of this are we gonna do, fellas? 1943 01:27:50,268 --> 01:27:51,728 You get that lightning bolt in there? 1944 01:27:51,770 --> 01:27:52,938 I bet you did. 1945 01:27:52,979 --> 01:27:54,147 How do you feel? 1946 01:27:54,189 --> 01:27:56,441 I must tell you, I'm optimistic. 1947 01:27:56,483 --> 01:27:57,609 Of course you are. 1948 01:27:57,651 --> 01:27:59,152 What else would I expect from you? 1949 01:28:00,695 --> 01:28:04,908 I need to balance your, how would you put it? 1950 01:28:04,950 --> 01:28:06,827 - Fondness for reality. 1951 01:28:06,868 --> 01:28:10,455 - Okay, look, Taki wrote as much as you need. 1952 01:28:10,497 --> 01:28:11,873 - And you take him literally? 1953 01:28:11,915 --> 01:28:14,292 You don't think there's a very large measure 1954 01:28:14,334 --> 01:28:16,586 of mischievousness in his personality? 1955 01:28:16,628 --> 01:28:18,213 Absolutely, but that doesn't mean 1956 01:28:18,255 --> 01:28:20,423 it extends to funding our moving. 1957 01:28:20,465 --> 01:28:21,967 But even if it does, 1958 01:28:22,008 --> 01:28:25,345 we have our three "Seduced and Abandoned" investors. 1959 01:28:25,387 --> 01:28:27,806 We have Medavoy's 25 million. 1960 01:28:27,848 --> 01:28:31,143 We have the prospect of Gosling and Chastain. 1961 01:28:31,184 --> 01:28:33,562 What we have is what we came here with, 1962 01:28:33,603 --> 01:28:35,689 which is hope. 1963 01:28:35,730 --> 01:28:38,692 That's not bad, people lose hope all the time 1964 01:28:38,733 --> 01:28:40,527 and ours is intact. - By the way, 1965 01:28:40,569 --> 01:28:45,073 the music for "Seduced and Abandoned" must be 1966 01:28:45,115 --> 01:28:48,743 Shostakovich, the dark poetic beauty of the fifth, 1967 01:28:48,785 --> 01:28:52,372 juxtaposed with the perversely playful waltzes. 1968 01:28:52,414 --> 01:28:56,418 It's as if Shostakovich wrote these for you. 1969 01:28:56,459 --> 01:28:59,462 Fatality and elegance made one. 1970 01:29:11,808 --> 01:29:12,976 - I love you. 1971 01:29:17,147 --> 01:29:19,149 I wanna know your name. 1972 01:29:30,702 --> 01:29:32,120 - Let me ask you that, 1973 01:29:32,162 --> 01:29:34,372 I've been asking everybody in the movie that, 1974 01:29:34,414 --> 01:29:38,376 and it's, I think of it myself all the time, 1975 01:29:38,418 --> 01:29:41,671 are you, I know you love life obviously, and you wanna live, 1976 01:29:41,713 --> 01:29:44,549 but are you afraid of death or are you ready for death? 1977 01:29:45,550 --> 01:29:46,551 - Thanks a lot. 1978 01:29:50,472 --> 01:29:51,472 At 11:45. 1979 01:29:53,058 --> 01:29:55,143 - No, because I wanna be a mom. 1980 01:29:55,185 --> 01:29:57,562 - I don't think about it, so I guess, must be. 1981 01:29:57,604 --> 01:29:59,540 - You're ready for death, you can handle it, right? 1982 01:29:59,564 --> 01:30:01,817 You don't want it, but you're not afraid of it. 1983 01:30:02,734 --> 01:30:04,736 - Yes, of course, if you say so. 1984 01:30:06,112 --> 01:30:07,715 - I mean, I know I could make it into that death montage 1985 01:30:07,739 --> 01:30:08,990 and that's all I care about. 1986 01:30:09,032 --> 01:30:10,700 - I wanna make another 50 movies. 1987 01:30:12,035 --> 01:30:14,079 Would you settle for four? 1988 01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:17,040 - Not four, because I make three a year. 1989 01:30:17,082 --> 01:30:19,000 - You're not gonna live for another 60 years, 1990 01:30:19,042 --> 01:30:22,212 for another 50. - What, get out of here. 1991 01:30:22,254 --> 01:30:26,633 - I was never really willing to die 1992 01:30:26,675 --> 01:30:29,761 but I was always ready. 1993 01:30:29,803 --> 01:30:32,013 - To die, no, I'm not ready to die. 1994 01:30:32,055 --> 01:30:33,783 - Still like to do a couple things here and there. 1995 01:30:33,807 --> 01:30:35,559 - Maybe a little bit later on. 1996 01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:36,953 - I don't like to worry about my death. 1997 01:30:36,977 --> 01:30:40,105 It's gonna happen and interrupt what it is I'm doing. 1998 01:30:41,523 --> 01:30:45,193 - Still struggling with the religious aspects of it, yeah. 1999 01:30:47,445 --> 01:30:49,823 - No, I don't think I'm ever gonna be ready to die. 2000 01:30:49,865 --> 01:30:51,700 Are you ready for death? 2001 01:30:52,951 --> 01:30:53,951 - No. 2002 01:30:54,703 --> 01:30:55,954 - Now shut up. 2003 01:30:55,996 --> 01:30:57,265 - He's asked every God damn person. 2004 01:30:57,289 --> 01:30:59,082 - How the fuck could you be ready to die? 2005 01:30:59,124 --> 01:31:01,751 I'd be awkward, though, crack pipe and fucking. 2006 01:31:03,211 --> 01:31:04,462 What are you talking about? 2007 01:31:04,504 --> 01:31:05,898 - The only thing missing from this movie is us 2008 01:31:05,922 --> 01:31:09,342 actually being in the intensive care ward of a hospital 2009 01:31:09,384 --> 01:31:11,845 with some 95-year-old fucking guy with tubes coming out 2010 01:31:11,887 --> 01:31:15,640 and Jimmy goes, are you ready to die? 2011 01:31:15,682 --> 01:31:17,142 - I'm aware of it, 2012 01:31:17,184 --> 01:31:19,561 but I'm doing my best to put it off as long as possible. 2013 01:31:19,603 --> 01:31:23,190 - I was on a plane and it started to go down for a minute 2014 01:31:23,231 --> 01:31:24,417 and the things came out of the, 2015 01:31:24,441 --> 01:31:27,360 people were looking to the person next to them 2016 01:31:27,402 --> 01:31:29,404 and trying to bond with that, 2017 01:31:29,446 --> 01:31:31,490 you're the person I die with. 2018 01:31:31,531 --> 01:31:34,326 And people were crying, it was very dramatic. 2019 01:31:34,367 --> 01:31:37,287 And my instinct was to finish my steak. 2020 01:31:38,538 --> 01:31:43,460 And I just started really shoving my face. 2021 01:31:44,419 --> 01:31:46,755 - John Updike, very, very fine, 2022 01:31:46,796 --> 01:31:49,800 wonderful poet as well as novelist, obviously, 2023 01:31:49,841 --> 01:31:51,468 and critic for that matter, 2024 01:31:51,510 --> 01:31:55,931 who died in his 70s, without complaint, of cancer. 2025 01:31:55,972 --> 01:31:58,225 No one knew he was sick, no, he knew. 2026 01:31:58,266 --> 01:32:00,936 This is what he wrote shortly before he died. 2027 01:32:00,977 --> 01:32:02,604 It's called "Requiem." 2028 01:32:02,646 --> 01:32:06,441 It came to me the other day, were I to die, 2029 01:32:06,483 --> 01:32:08,485 no one would say, oh, what a shame, 2030 01:32:08,527 --> 01:32:13,490 so young, so full of promise, depths, unplumbable. 2031 01:32:13,532 --> 01:32:17,077 Instead, a shrug and tearless eyes 2032 01:32:17,118 --> 01:32:20,121 will greet my overdue demise. 2033 01:32:20,163 --> 01:32:22,999 The wide response will be, I know, 2034 01:32:23,041 --> 01:32:25,085 I thought he died a while ago. 2035 01:32:25,126 --> 01:32:28,588 For life's a shabby subterfuge 2036 01:32:28,630 --> 01:32:33,468 and death is real and dark and huge. 2037 01:32:33,510 --> 01:32:36,847 The shock of it will register nowhere 2038 01:32:36,888 --> 01:32:38,390 but where it will occur. 2039 01:32:39,391 --> 01:32:40,642 - You know I love you. 2040 01:32:40,684 --> 01:32:42,477 - Yes. - You know I have 2041 01:32:42,519 --> 01:32:43,579 deep feelings - I know, I know. 2042 01:32:43,603 --> 01:32:44,396 - Of great, tremendous love for you. 2043 01:32:44,437 --> 01:32:45,313 - Yes. - And you just 2044 01:32:45,355 --> 01:32:46,565 added to the menu why. 2045 01:32:46,606 --> 01:32:49,067 You know, you're a very good reader of poetry. 2046 01:32:49,109 --> 01:32:50,402 - Thank you. - You're very good. 2047 01:32:50,443 --> 01:32:51,712 You read that beautifully. - Thank you. 2048 01:32:51,736 --> 01:32:53,214 - You read that beautifully. - Thank you. 2049 01:32:53,238 --> 01:32:55,490 Thank you. - In spite of all your 2050 01:32:55,532 --> 01:32:58,493 self-destructive tendencies, - Thank you. 2051 01:32:58,535 --> 01:33:00,412 - I adore you. - Well, thank you. 2052 01:33:00,453 --> 01:33:02,080 Come on, you know, you want to kiss him. 2053 01:33:04,291 --> 01:33:06,371 - I said, I adore you, I didn't say I wanna fuck you. 2054 01:33:10,672 --> 01:33:14,843 - But that's part of the beauty of film 2055 01:33:14,885 --> 01:33:19,723 is it conjures up notions of finality, of death. 2056 01:33:20,932 --> 01:33:23,268 The movie ends and it's like, it's over. 2057 01:33:23,310 --> 01:33:24,936 You're sitting there in the dark, 2058 01:33:24,978 --> 01:33:28,106 but there's light and you are alive as long as the movie 2059 01:33:28,148 --> 01:33:30,609 is on, and then all of a sudden.